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In terms of acceleration: VXR (Tested on Top Gear)
In terms of looks: VXR
In terms of originality:VXR
In terms of everything: VXR
incorrect, as the edtion 30 hasnt been on top gear, and certainly not back to back with the vxr ?
in terms of originatlity i would say the golf gti (with 30 years of history behind it) edges it, saying that they are both just hot hatches ?
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In terms of acceleration: VXR (Tested on Top Gear)
In terms of looks: VXR
In terms of originality:VXR
In terms of everything: VXR
incorrect, as the edtion 30 hasnt been on top gear, and certainly not back to back with the vxr ?
in terms of originatlity i would say the golf gti (with 30 years of history behind it) edges it, saying that they are both just hot hatches ?
I was refering to the standard GTI. A lot of VW's promotional material for the Golf GTI and most of the reviews I have seen have always related to how the heart and soul of every GTI model has maintained this 'hot hatch' pedigree. Yes they are more advanced than the original but VW do play on the way the newest model holds original values. The VXR however was a step forward for Vauxhall. New engine and tuning methods, new styling etc. A step forward for any manufacturer IMO 
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Originally posted by thegsi
In terms of acceleration: VXR (Tested on Top Gear)
In terms of looks: VXR
In terms of originality:VXR
In terms of everything: VXR
Top Gear test was horseshit from start to finish, read the EVO review, infact read any review other than Top Gear & Fifth Gear.
It was an incomplete car, SRi suspension with VXR engine, bumpers, interior etc. Vaux were given an ultimatum, supply us with a Astra VXR or we won't review it again.
Personally I'd have gone for the latter.
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Originally posted by thegsi
In terms of acceleration: VXR (Tested on Top Gear)
In terms of looks: VXR
In terms of originality:VXR
In terms of everything: VXR
incorrect, as the edtion 30 hasnt been on top gear, and certainly not back to back with the vxr ?
in terms of originatlity i would say the golf gti (with 30 years of history behind it) edges it, saying that they are both just hot hatches ?
I was refering to the standard GTI. A lot of VW's promotional material for the Golf GTI and most of the reviews I have seen have always related to how the heart and soul of every GTI model has maintained this 'hot hatch' pedigree. Yes they are more advanced than the original but VW do play on the way the newest model holds original values. The VXR however was a step forward for Vauxhall. New engine and tuning methods, new styling etc. A step forward for any manufacturer IMO
i see your point, but i dont see how the VXR vs the ED30 (which is what this thread is about) is the better car, but thats my opinion from driving a ed30
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I think the GTi badge is fading away now. There are still those people that cling to memories of their Mk1 & Mk2 GTi's (my sister) which at the time were awesome cars, miles ahead of the competition.
They got lazy and continue to get lazier, Mk3 wasn't a bad car but wasn't regarded as good enough to have the GTi badge, VR6 is better.
Mk4, well where do we start? Puting a GTi badge on the back of a 2.0 8v 115bhp barge that was only slightly quicker than a Corsa SXi was ridiculous, car was soppy and shit, only when the R32 came about was the Golf taken seriously again.
Mk5 carried on where the Mk4 left off, sloppy, saggy boring and the Mk6 is just a Mk5 with a facelift.
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Golf = Yawn
Astra = Yawn
Civic type R is more driver orientated imo so thats the better hot hatch, high revving, good handling, well balanced car, more track influenced
My mates cammed VTS keeps up with Another mates 52 plate CTR.
Its got 140b.h.p.
CTR's IMHO are very over rated 
Thats low for a cammed VTS. My VTS made 133bhp on breathing mods only 
not realy, your only goin to see 8-10 bhp increse off a cam on that size engine
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I think the GTi badge is fading away now. There are still those people that cling to memories of their Mk1 & Mk2 GTi's (my sister) which at the time were awesome cars, miles ahead of the competition.
They got lazy and continue to get lazier, Mk3 wasn't a bad car but wasn't regarded as good enough to have the GTi badge, VR6 is better.
Mk4, well where do we start? Puting a GTi badge on the back of a 2.0 8v 115bhp barge that was only slightly quicker than a Corsa SXi was ridiculous, car was soppy and shit, only when the R32 came about was the Golf taken seriously again.
Mk5 carried on where the Mk4 left off, sloppy, saggy boring and the Mk6 is just a Mk5 with a facelift.
totally disagree with the mk5, you know i have no rose tinted glasses for alot of car manufactuers what so ever, but ive driven a mk5, mk5 ed30, r26 thing, EP3 CTR and the mk5 is a great car, and the ed30 gived it the extra bit of power it allways needed and could handle
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I want to come across and Edition 30, what are the stats?
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not realy, your only goin to see 8-10 bhp increse off a cam on that size engine
Cammed VTS's with a decent system and remap can very easily make 150bhp.
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Following Volkswagen's successful 20th anniversary edition GTI (1996 in Europe, and 2003 for the North American market), and the 25th anniversary GTI (in 2001 for Europe only) models, Volkswagen marked the GTI's 30th anniversary by producing the GTI Edition 30.
Going on sale in November 2006 from £22,295 RRP, initially with a limited production run of only 1500 (Europe models), the Edition 30 was available in 6 colours; Tornado Red, Black, Candy White, Reflex Silver (Metallic), Steel Grey (Metallic) and finally Diamond Black (Pearl). The changes over the standard production model included a modified engine that produced an extra 30 PS (22 kW/30 bhp) more than the standard 200 PS (150 kW/200 bhp) version, raising the output to 230 PS (170 kW/230 bhp), giving rumour that it was faster in the dry and more powerful than the R32. Slight changes to the body work included body coloured side skirts and Votex front spoiler, colour-keyed rear bumper and tinted rear lights from the R32. Changes to the interior included a return for the golf ball shaped gear knob and silver "Edition 30" logo'd sill plates. Edition 30 seats were also decked out in the distinctive red stitching on 'Vienna' leather and 'Interlagos' fabric mix. Red stitching was also added to the leather-covered steering wheel. Finally, dependent on the market and the options available the Edition 30 was available with 18" BBS originated 'Pescara' alloy wheels, or black versions of the 18" 'Monza II' alloy wheels.[5]
Performance was marginally improved: with 0-100 km/h (62 mph) coming at 6.8 seconds (6.6 seconds for DSG-equipped models), and a top speed of 245 km/h (152 mph) (manual) or 243 km/h (151 mph) (DSG
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Is it well balanced though because it's lacking in the power department? If you took away 40bhp from the Astra and made it less "mental" you could say the handling would be absolutely perfect for the power but then it would be a lot slower in a straight line.
Swings and roundabouts.
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jr
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the ed30 as i put above is 230bhp, so same as the astra vxr give or take ?
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Ojc
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So slightly slower than the Astra then James, but with the extra power how does the handling fair?
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Megane R26 
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very well, very stable and progressive, like i said you know im not a big vw fan, but it really is a very very good car
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Megane R26
drove one, hated it
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the ed30 as i put above is 230bhp, so same as the astra vxr give or take ?
240 for the Astra, 0-60 6.2 152mph top end, that's for a normal Astra VXR. Nurburgring might have a bit more edge, probably not noticable on the road.
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your n/ring astra felt so much quicker than your blue astra
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Megane R26
Yes we have already stated this is the best hot hatch on the market.....for now.
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your n/ring astra felt so much quicker than your blue astra
You never came in the blue one when it had the Remus, but yes on the road and fast driving the Nurburgring is far more assured, I think it's to do with the wheels and the supposed revised suspension geometry. I really want to drive an Astra with the LSD fitted. I should imagine it would be the best.
Hopefully Thorney as they have close connections with Top Gear will get one of their VXR-R on the show.
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Now thats something i'd like to see.
Come on ST boys, we had the upper hand, then we lost out to your factory tuning, now we're back on top.
Olly, you had any plays with ST's yet? I had one try it on on the way to Snetterton.
I'd agree for the road, the Golf is the better car. More internal toys, softer suspension (better ride), smooth engine delivery, just a relaxed refined ride..
But isn't a hot hatch about fun, rawness, if you wanted calm and relaxed, u'd get a lower range model?
Which is where the astra comes into it. I've not driven a megan, but I can see it being livley and fun like the astra, not smooth refined and boring to drive like the ST and Golf GTi.
Then theres the MP3, weeeeeeeeeeeee straight line, corners, arrrgggghhhhhh 
Can't comment on the Leon, looks as bland as the golf, share the same engine doesn't it? It'll be a good car I think, but just looks sooooooo boring. Bubble orange car anyone.
That said, the new RS looks tasty, but whats its competition? Only the new VXR/R and S?
Nothing else out there FWD with 300bhp odd, so VX and Ford are pushing the game forward again.
So that brings us to the R32.....
Huge fat underpowered engine, front end heavy, lots of noise, not a great amount of perfomance. Ok its not "slow" but then for 3.2 litres, well I think E46 M3 pace, of which the golf is miles behined.
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i would say the R26-R would be decent competition. plus i doubt it will be 300 BHp or whatever thorney are over quoting
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R32 is slower than Edition 30 Golf, I really don't see where the R32 fits in the scale of things. Like James says, a remapped Golf GTi is more desirable.
Had a brief play with a Focus ST when I had the first VXR, VXR was faster but that was on the motorway and there isn't a massive difference, not like when I raced that EP3 CTR, up from Bromley to Dartford and made him look silly.
Focus RS competition is Megane R26-R & VXR-R & S but still waiting for information on Vauxhalls attempt at the Astras run out model, supposed to be LSD, leightweight, more power etc etc.
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i would say the R26-R would be decent competition. plus i doubt it will be 300 BHp or whatever thorney are over quoting
Are you a complete tit? Why not?
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i would say the R26-R would be decent competition. plus i doubt it will be 300 BHp or whatever thorney are over quoting
Are you a complete tit? Why not?
So you don't think 300 bhp in a front wheel drive isn't excessive ?
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