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this may be completely off topic but how does the performance vs money weigh up like when it comes to thorney vs DS?
edit - and yes ojc i agree having that warranty and more performance would be great but as always people always want to go cheap 
[Edited on 12-11-2008 by willay]
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plenty of do gooders on vxronline by the looks of things, if someone thought a map fucked their engine on a new car (with warranty) I cant see them taking it back to vauxhall without returning it to standard if they had the facility to do so 
It's a Vauxhal run website, Dougie is on there most days and they like John said Vauxhall have had a larger number of warranty claims since the handheld units were released, be it, Regal IPF, Dreamscience, Bluefin. Vauxhall are aware and if someone now goes into Vauxhall with engine failure you can be damm sure they will be checking the cars engine map.
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willay
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yeah i read that mate but what i'm saying is if you had a handheld and it has the ability to turn it back to standard you're not going to let it go in for a warranty job with the new map on are you?
I'm interested in the price differences!!
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Iain M
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Surely if its the map that fucks the engine up then its whoever has put the map on shoud fix the resulting mess.
not the case unfortunatly. if you had your car mapped to suit your modifications and a con rod snaps, whos fault is it? the supplied of the con rod, the engine builder or the mapper?
alot of people say the mapper as they touched it last.......
If you look at it that way the map would be the straw that broke the camels back really wouldn't it. So technically its the car owners fault.
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Originally posted by willay
this may be completely off topic but how does the performance vs money weigh up like when it comes to thorney vs DS?
edit - and yes ojc i agree having that warranty and more performance would be great but as always people always want to go cheap
[Edited on 12-11-2008 by willay]
On the road, I would imagine no difference at all TBH, it seems Dreamscience prefer to talk about their peak power rather than how the car performs on the road. Some stage 3 Astras barely make 280bhp on the rollers, but on the road they are a lot easier to drive fast due to the much linear mapping.
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Ojc
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Originally posted by willay
yeah i read that mate but what i'm saying is if you had a handheld and it has the ability to turn it back to standard you're not going to let it go in for a warranty job with the new map on are you?
I'm interested in the price differences!!
Thorneys in house mapping costs £650 I think, and their handheld Bluefin is £550, Dreamscience is £450 quid.
I'd rather pay £650 and have in house map, designed specifically for my car and a proper rolling road setup.
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these boys based on Beverley nr hull?
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willay
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ojc  I cant believe people would risk a warranty for the sake of £200. gimps.
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Iain M
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makes no sense at all
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willay
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I dunno.... you'd be suprised how many people are tight, on here for example
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judging by the amount of mpg threads etc over 75%
Drives supercharged Tec with torque  
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Iain M
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Originally Posted by R15VXR
So if an engine does blow and its the map that is the cause of the failure - then the customer obviously under your warranty, by what you have claimed so far, gets a new engine or a rebuild FOC
Now for the direct question - would you send this engine back to VXL for credit or send your rebuild costs to VXL for payment ?
Just for this answer below would be why i would pay the extra money.
This sort of mixes up the process really. What happens is this:
1. Customer comes in with engine fault. We assume it is a simple retail job (ie its chargeable as with any work)
2. If a failure is identified we investigate the cause of the failure
3. If we consider the failure is manufacturing related we contact Vauxhall with our findings.
4. Depending on what we find Vauxhall either authorise remedial/replacement and the failed parts/engine are tagged and returned to Vauxhall for inspection. Typically Vauxhall send out a field enginer to inspect.
5. If fault is tuning related then we repair/replace under our own cost.
6. Customer is kept informed at each stage, any failed parts are kept as evidence.
7. If the failure was tuning related and required a replacement we would typically keep the old one and re-build it as a spare for the race cars. (you can never have too many engines when you race you know
All the above is a bit moot of course, as we've not yet had any engine failure due to our tuning. Posted ny Thorney MS
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I wouldn't touch a hand held with a barge pole.
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ojc I cant believe people would risk a warranty for the sake of £200. gimps.
You would believe it, I cannot understand why anyone would risk using any other tuner other than Thorney, it doesn't make any sense to me. You can even get all their tuning stuff direct from a Thorney approved dealership across the country so no excuse about not being able to get to Milton Keynes where Thorney are based.
But people see the cheaper price for the handheld and go for that, but that doesn't tell the whole story, if it's cheap, it's cheap for a reason.
Like Ben has said, anyone who has done their research wouldn't touch a handheld unit.
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Originally posted by gavin18787
judging by the amount of mpg threads etc over 95%
Edited for accuracy.
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ojc I cant believe people would risk a warranty for the sake of £200. gimps.
You would believe it, I cannot understand why anyone would risk using any other tuner other than Thorney, it doesn't make any sense to me. You can even get all their tuning stuff direct from a Thorney approved dealership across the country so no excuse about not being able to get to Milton Keynes where Thorney are based.
But people see the cheaper price for the handheld and go for that, but that doesn't tell the whole story, if it's cheap, it's cheap for a reason.
Like Ben has said, anyone who has done their research wouldn't touch a handheld unit.
Ollie my bro's really interested in some of the Thorney stuff. And you say they have approved dealerships? Is there somewhere that I can find out where my closest one is?
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None in Scotland yet but I think that is about to change, plenty up north though
http://www.thorneymotorsport.co.uk/tuning/Vauxhall_Performance_Centers.shtml
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out of intrest someone mentioned checking an engine map ?
if its dreamscience etc isnt the whole idea you can re flash the ecu with the standard map, hence no-one could find it
even then, with the flash coded remaps you cant usally detect them anyway
edit, just read the post, and yes thats allready be confirmed
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If they had the choice of a few hours getting the technician to check to see if the car has had it's ECU flashed or having to fork out £5k on a replacement engine, what is more likely to happen at a dealership? You are better placed to comment.
I'd still rather use Thorney, I see no advantage what so ever using anyone else. Just seems people are being tight arses for the sake of £200.
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Is it just VXR's Thorney do or is it maps and what not for other vaux engines like ZLETS??
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They do a lot of work on VX220's so I should imagine they work on ZLET's but if you are thinking of extending your warranty think again they only cover the manufacturers warranty so once the car is outside the 3 year warranty period, you are on your own.
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If they had the choice of a few hours getting the technician to check to see if the car has had it's ECU flashed or having to fork out £5k on a replacement engine, what is more likely to happen at a dealership? You are better placed to comment.
the diffrence is, in theory, that dealer should never be able to find a remap, and blame that for the cause of the problem
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I dunno, I bet somewhere, somehow an ECU records when it has been flashed.
I bet if you done some digging, they would eventually discover something.
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there is no software avalible to the dealer network in our case that can look into that
in reality, i would do what you suggust 
but im also aware of what the limits of most dealers can do, unlike alot of VXR online
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