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Robbo

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16th Oct 08 at 13:01

or just let it slide into the HUUUUUUUUUUGE infield... rathe rthan correct himself toward a concrete wall

pow

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16th Oct 08 at 13:02

If he'd have left it, and not tried to pull it back, he'd have been in the grassy, non damaging in-feild wouln't he?

Pillock!

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16th Oct 08 at 13:03

I made a similar mistake in the scooby when I first got it. Wasn't used to 4x4. You try and correct it and it just grips in the opposite direction

Just gotta have balls, point the wheels the way you're wanting to go and power it.

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16th Oct 08 at 13:03

quote:
Originally posted by pow
If he'd have left it, and not tried to pull it back, he'd have been in the grassy, non damaging in-feild wouln't he?

Pillock!

Yup!

pow

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16th Oct 08 at 13:07

You shouldn't try and correct anyway. You main concern when in a slide is stopping the car without hitting anything, not looking good or passing a TT.

lift off, point the car in the direction you want it to go, wait for it to regain some grip and lightly back on the power, when the car is straight and narrow.

DO not brake or try and make it look good lol

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16th Oct 08 at 15:49

yeah pow but then how is he suppose to do a wicked german drift?

CorsAsh

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16th Oct 08 at 16:01

quote:
Originally posted by pow
You shouldn't try and correct anyway. You main concern when in a slide is stopping the car without hitting anything, not looking good or passing a TT.

lift off, point the car in the direction you want it to go, wait for it to regain some grip and lightly back on the power, when the car is straight and narrow.

DO not brake or try and make it look good lol

Lift off when the car is oversteering already

pow

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16th Oct 08 at 16:05

Yeah...

Oversteer, lift off, steer INTO it

CorsAsh

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16th Oct 08 at 16:09

Hmm, I was told to feel the car slide, steer into it and gently apply power whilst looking for the point you want to be on track. If you take your foot off, the weight transfers forward, giving more grip to the front and taking it away from the rear, worsening the slide.

Lifting off is for understeer as far as I was taught.

John

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16th Oct 08 at 16:11

Pow is using his advanced driving teachings.

Remove the cause of the problem.

Don't just lift off though, let off the accelerator slowly.

CorsAsh

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16th Oct 08 at 16:12

It was the "lift off" that concerned me.

John

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16th Oct 08 at 16:13

You definitely don't just lift off.

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16th Oct 08 at 16:14

Yeah, sorry Ash... bit unexplained, you don't just jump off the throttle like a mouse that sees a cat, feed off the throttle to stop the car gaining speed.

Strange though, was always told to lift off for oversteer AND understeer, IAM taught and preached that

Understeer you lift off, get the lock on to the direction you wanna go, rock the wheel 1/4 of a turn, get the car straight again and apply the power...

[Edited on 16-10-2008 by pow]

Robbo

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16th Oct 08 at 16:16

hes alreayd voersteering and in theory he wanted to keep oversteering cos that keeps him heading toward the infoeld instead fo the barriers, but he tries to correct and ends up the other way

You never just come off the throttle like that, always lightly lift off

John

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16th Oct 08 at 16:20

For correcting a rear wheel skid roadcraft says

1. As soon as you feel the back of the car swing out, remove the cause of the skid.

release accelerator, or, declutch and release.

2. Steer in the direction of the skid until the rear of the vehicle stops sliding and the tyres regain their grip.

3. Gently steer the car back on to course.
Do not over-react or the vehicle may skid in the opposite direction, especially if it has a rear wheel drive.

4. When it is safe to do so, gently apply power.

That suggests lifting straight off, which is exactly what pow said.

It is however for road driving and not track.

pow

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16th Oct 08 at 16:21

Also, Ash, did whoever taught you make a big point of "you NEED to be looking where to want to go, not where the car is going"?

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16th Oct 08 at 16:22

Interesting John, but like you said, different story for track and road. TBH though, that guy looks like a goon who thought that Combe was a chance to be a knob, so he should have applied that rather than trying to do a "willay" german drift

Joe

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16th Oct 08 at 16:50

The fact you can clearly see him brake pretty hard as he is already turning in is a bit retarded.

CorsAsh

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16th Oct 08 at 16:57

I was taught at Rockingham's skid control course, and yeah, they made a big point of looking where you wanted to go rather than worrying about where the car was. I think the issue here is to reduce overcorrection.

They didn't say to come off power completely though, more or less try to maintain it to keep the car balanced until it grips again. If you start coming on and off the throttle it's unbalancing the car.

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16th Oct 08 at 16:58

Sounds like landing an aeroplane in a crosswind

pow

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16th Oct 08 at 16:58

I did mine at Goodwood

CorsAsh

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16th Oct 08 at 16:59

pow

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16th Oct 08 at 17:01

Understeer still scares me shitless though

CorsAsh

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16th Oct 08 at 17:02

RWD is awesome, I can't get enough of it

Russ

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16th Oct 08 at 17:10

lifting off is wrong i thought. if your car has no grip.. and then suddenly get loads of grip, its gonna snap round.

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