Ste L
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BEst laugh I had yesterday was describing the FIA as ferrari international assistance. So apt its funny!
or FIAT... 
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Dom
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Originally posted by Adam-Deither that or they dont want a black man to win it
History proves motorsport is a white mans sport. Sounds fucking terrible but look back at it.
This is true, i doubt it's the main reason behind it all but i certainly do believe a few people at the top aren't too favourable about his skin colour.
I agree with RCS that the FIA just produce random penalties! How does hamilton deserve a 25sec penalty? Even IF he did gain an unfair advatage, which i don't believe he did a thousandths of a second slip stream? Bollocks. Footage shows that Kimi brakes too early, Hamilton took it. Plus data proves that he was 6KPH behind Kimi), i don't see how what he results in 25secs! Stripping him of first place or a few points would be harsh enough, but shoving him down to 3rd position is a load of bollocks.
I doubt anything will come of McLaren's appeal, even if they do have the data to back it up. Hopefully McLaren can make it up this weekend.
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mazdaspeed
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If the stewards can alter the results of a race then whats the point in racing?
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Daniel_Corsa
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Just accept Lewis made a mistake was 100% in the wrong!
Coming into the chicane, if Lewis had braked enough to ATTEMPT the corner which Kimi had the racing line into, he would have been along way back after taking a poor line through the corners.
Instead he opted for a "shortcut" call it whatever you will, if he had waited and waiting until the next few corners after his little trip off the track, nothing would have happened!
McLaren won't get anything from the appeal, Ferrari 1st and 2nd in Monza, Lewis put down a peg or two where he needs to be!
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IvIarkgraham
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i dont see the problem. hamilton should have teken it
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Originally posted by mazdaspeed
If the stewards can alter the results of a race then whats the point in racing?
Because its F1. No 'real' racing happens, expensive super fragile cars are driven around a circuit in formation by rich people, the richest kid in the most expensive car that belongs to the riches team wins.
great innit 
could you imagine the same rules that are applied in F1 to be used in the BTTC? 90% of the drivers wouls end up with 10 minute penalties every race.
I urge everyone to watch a video of F1 from back in the early-mid 1980's and then say modern day F1 is enjoyable to watch.
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Originally posted by Daniel_Corsa
Just accept Lewis made a mistake was 100% in the wrong!
Coming into the chicane, if Lewis had braked enough to ATTEMPT the corner which Kimi had the racing line into, he would have been along way back after taking a poor line through the corners.
Instead he opted for a "shortcut" call it whatever you will, if he had waited and waiting until the next few corners after his little trip off the track, nothing would have happened!
McLaren won't get anything from the appeal, Ferrari 1st and 2nd in Monza, Lewis put down a peg or two where he needs to be!
He braked plenty for the chicane, it was Kimi who was locking up.
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Originally posted by Daniel_Corsa
Just accept Lewis made a mistake was 100% in the wrong!
Coming into the chicane, if Lewis had braked enough to ATTEMPT the corner which Kimi had the racing line into, he would have been along way back after taking a poor line through the corners.
Instead he opted for a "shortcut" call it whatever you will, if he had waited and waiting until the next few corners after his little trip off the track, nothing would have happened!
McLaren won't get anything from the appeal, Ferrari 1st and 2nd in Monza, Lewis put down a peg or two where he needs to be!
You're a cock 
End of the day, Lewis gained position, handed it back blatently and then simply outmanoeuvered Kimi round the first hairpin and then took him out again when Kimi proved what we all know and went and stacked it
Edit to say do you not think perhaps the slippery conditions also contributed to Lewis having to dive off
[Edited on 09-09-2008 by Robbo]
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Robbo
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25s is a ridiculous penalty to habnd down with no grounding whatsoever and the Belgian stewards have form for making post-race decisions which are generally overturned
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i just think that lewis can be more risky going into chicanes like that one and the one in france cos u know if it does not work then u wont loose much time, cos it tarmac,
would he have tried that move if it was grass run off areas??? if he did then he would have lost seconds!!
its a fine line in rule book, yes he gave place back but going off didnt excatly loose him any posistion but set him up nicely for next corner, if he backed off when kimi closed the door then he would have been in worse posistion for next corner but would have made the track!
wot if hamelton did that at monaco..............BANG!!! race over!
i am just a massa fan tho, he seems a nice bloke, not the best driver but getting clever, his interview afterwards saying it was dangersious and that he just wanted to get the points for championship!!! thats a clever driver! the way the points are now....10,8 etc u gotta finish am many races as pos!
the old points 10 then 6 for second made it far more worth while winning!
if hamelton thought of that last year he would have won, and if he had not cut chicanes twice, and hit people in pit lane he would have wrapped up title this year almost and could have been 2 times champion!!!
i have never known such an arragent driver as hamelton, maybe its cos he is british we hear all the interviews, says he is gonna win every race, never admits anything is his fault!
never heard schumacher being arragent in his early years, and he was not in the best car and just let his driving do the talking!! i got more respect for that!
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Originally posted by Robbo
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Originally posted by Daniel_Corsa
Just accept Lewis made a mistake was 100% in the wrong!
Coming into the chicane, if Lewis had braked enough to ATTEMPT the corner which Kimi had the racing line into, he would have been along way back after taking a poor line through the corners.
Instead he opted for a "shortcut" call it whatever you will, if he had waited and waiting until the next few corners after his little trip off the track, nothing would have happened!
McLaren won't get anything from the appeal, Ferrari 1st and 2nd in Monza, Lewis put down a peg or two where he needs to be!
You're a cock
End of the day, Lewis gained position, handed it back blatently and then simply outmanoeuvered Kimi round the first hairpin and then took him out again when Kimi proved what we all know and went and stacked it
Edit to say do you not think perhaps the slippery conditions also contributed to Lewis having to dive off
[Edited on 09-09-2008 by Robbo]
He handed it back knowing that exactly what he was doing and that he was just going to pass again straight away. Come on Mr Corporate, take off those Voda specs
[Edited on 09-09-2008 by Joe]
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Robbo
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Kimi shoudl learn how to defend his position then shouldnt he
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Robbo
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Shoudl try learnign it whiklst learnign how not to drive into barriers like he did on the followign lap 
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Joe
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Your typing is appalling Robert.
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Robbo
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I know 
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Scotty_B
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Lewis failed, accept it.
He can't even see a red light FFS.
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christ if the same rules were applied to touring cars every driver would be disqualified
I saw that the other day, they just seem to push each other off the track
i prefer watching it to formula 1
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Ste L
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Originally posted by CorSRi_BT
Lewis failed, accept it.
He can't even see a red light FFS.
and ferrari drivers seams to run red lights in pit stops's too, causing injury to their own mechanic's
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Originally posted by Ste L
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Originally posted by CorSRi_BT
Lewis failed, accept it.
He can't even see a red light FFS.
and ferrari drivers seams to run red lights in pit stops's too, causing injury to their own mechanic's
Amber actually.
Gotta love F1.
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25 seconds is the standard drive-through penalty, which is what he would have got had they still been racing.
The issue is whether Lewis gained an advantage by doing what he did, Massa has said that if he hadn't cut the chicane then he wouldn't have been in a position to overtake Kimi on the straight.
IMO the correct decision.
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Ste L
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http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TzKMyFCaZy0
nuff said really..
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Originally posted by Ste L
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TzKMyFCaZy0
nuff said really..
Quality video. Explains things perfectly.
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I think McLaren are right to appeal, there is certainly an argument there that they could have been in the right. I'm amazed that Ferrari got away with their blatant display of disregard to the rules in the pits in Valencia.
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Can anyone answer me this?
Was the driver of the (I believe..) Williams punished for nearly causing a accident with Lewis and Kimi when coming back onto the track - this was the incident were Lewis had to slow down and dodge the Williams before hitting its rear end, whilst Kimi saw the gap and re-took the lead!!!
I've watched the footage a few times now and everytime I watch it I think 'WTF was he doing'. I'm not sure what place the Williams was in at the time but there was no need to rejoin the track at such an angle with no speed at all!
Lewis would have taken over Kimi... whether it was 2 corners after the incident which he was punished for or on the final lap. Kimi cant drive in the rain... and was struggling to keep the ferrari on the tarmac.... as we soon saw
F1 is usually boring aka Valencia 2 weeks ago. The Belgium was one of the best races this season with the last 3 laps being the best I've seen for a few years! Its just a shame that were all talking about the punishment to Lewis and not the actually race!
One rule for the red car... another for the rest! .. and I thought MoTD was bias!
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Originally posted by Ste L
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TzKMyFCaZy0
nuff said really..
Quality video. Explains things perfectly.
Not really, it argues that cutting the chicane gave hamilton no advantage which is bollocks really. Also correct me if I'm wrong but according to that Hamilton didn't give the place back, he just couldn't get the power down. Or have I got the wrong end of the stick?
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