Ben G
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the thing now is, i don't want to download anything ''not legal'' just incase they have saved out connection onto their database seeing as they've already flagged it up as a problem.
don't want to take the risk.
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Andrew
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Is there some sort of crack down on this 
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Aaron
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My friend got Owned for downloading a 360 game.
Mike 
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Paul_J
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Originally posted by Ben G
the thing now is, i don't want to download anything ''not legal'' just incase they have saved out connection onto their database seeing as they've already flagged it up as a problem.
don't want to take the risk.
Don't.
Wait for a while, let this blow over and see what emerges on the other side.
This is definatly not a good time to be doing it, as it's such an unknown area. As I say people are being fined stupid amounts and most (all?) court cases are not even being protested.
i.e. 'Pay £2000 or we'll take you to court where you could face a fine of £500,000 and jail time'...
here's your £2000. 
These scare tactics ensure that it's never actually taken to court. If for instance someone was taken to court and it all fell on it's arse (i.e. can't prove the person was actually downloading, only the computer used) - then it'd all fall apart and no one would be able to be prosecuted.
The other thing is, the geeks who create our p2p networks and software won't enjoy being without their free downloads and therefore they will create a solution to the problem - using encryption / different forms of sharing / etc.
For example, some of you may remember ISP's started 'slowing' any traffic they believed to be related to torrent traffic. So the torrent clients were adapted to allow sending encrypted data (so they couldn't read the packets and slow them down).
The final thing is, that so many people download that if they take everyone to court it may cause interesting public debate / protests against 'our rights' / 'our privacy'.
End of the day, just sit it out and see what happens and jump on the next 'proven safe downloading trend'.
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Ben G
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good advice/essay as usual from mr J  
i really want a song though, think i'll go itunes and pay the 80p or whatever 
oh and i just checked, and i definitely don't have any sugababes songs in my files 
[Edited on 30-08-2008 by Ben G]
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Paul_J
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quote:
Originally posted by Ben G
good advice/essay as usual from mr J
i really want a song though, think i'll go itunes and pay the 80p or whatever
oh and i just checked, and i definitely don't have any sugababes songs in my files
[Edited on 30-08-2008 by Ben G]
I reckon a possible new form of easy downloading of music will be through forms of online media such as youtube / megaupload etc. Download the stream and then convert the audio to mp3. (I think application already exist to do this).
All you need is a easy form of doing this / that downloads whole albums worth easily (I was going to develop something to do this but I've run out of time as I'm off travelling in less than 2 weeks).
That would be legal to download (as it's the content providers fault for not monitoring / controlling their content) and essentially when you watch a video on youtube it's downloading it to your pc for you to watch anyway. So no real different.
If this was to happen and it became the main form of music sharing, then i'd imagine many people would start uploading content purposely for this use (which is illegal), for example their whole back catalog of music online - but as long as you'd be downloading only, you'd never get done.
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Wrighty
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Buy your music / media then, if you like it then surly you should be supporting them by not downloading illegal rips
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Paul_J
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Originally posted by Wrighty
Buy your music / media then, if you like it then surly you should be supporting them by not downloading illegal rips
Yeh but my gripe is, how do you know if you'll like something or not before buying it?
For example a music album, you only hear a single or two, before the release of an album. The album is marketted on the back of the 2 successful singles and as such you have no idea what the othet tracks will be like.
You buy the album. The 2 singles you know are great (if a little bit stale now), but the rest of the album is full of shit songs / filler tracks.  money down the shitter.
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Dan Lewis
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Im glad i just upgraded my newsgroup subscription to ssl as im on virgin media too. But they give to accses to all the newsgroups to be able to download dodgy stuff anyway
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Paul_J
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Oh yeah, and also many people don't realise how 'underground' illegal file sharing used to be.
It's been happening since the start of the internet (infact the internet was created to share information).
I remember when I was a young kid, the internet was full of 'fake warez' sites - which would promise you files to download, but instead would just fill your pc with trojans / viruses or make loads of pop ups to porn sites.
Every now and then you'd hear a wisper of a working warez site or you'd find one that was real and working.
You'd keep it completely under your hat and secret, only sharing it with people you could trust. (in the fear it'd get shut down).
Then a few weeks or months later, you'd arrive and find that the site no longer exists or it's been replaced by a 'shut down' message and suddenly you'd no longer have a working warez site to download from.
There was no public listing of working sites, due to the fact it was all about keeping it secret.
These days everything is so open, public and widely used that it's no wonder it's getting cracked down and shut down.
It'll always continue and never get stopped, but it may just have to go underground again.
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Andrew
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MIght have to stop going on porn sites now
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Paul_J
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Originally posted by Andrew
MIght have to stop going on porn sites now
Don't even joke about it... people talk of 'net neutrality' where the ISP's control and govern everything, charging us more for the privaledge of getting less choice or freedom.
This guy sums it up quite well.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AqE8SuLOQxo
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Hammer
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Ill download wank material and shite tunes until my wee heart's content.
Oh shit can they read this as well?
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WATSON
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It wont stop me thats for sure, everyone downloads there isnt a single person that doesnt download i dont think unless they dont have a computer with net access
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Mike
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul_J
I reckon a possible new form of easy downloading of music will be through forms of online media such as youtube / megaupload etc. Download the stream and then convert the audio to mp3. (I think application already exist to do this).
I've done that before when I was struggling to find something
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All Torque
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Originally posted by WATSON
It wont stop me thats for sure, everyone downloads there isnt a single person that doesnt download i dont think unless they dont have a computer with net access
I don't download 
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Paul_J
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Originally posted by WATSON
It wont stop me thats for sure, everyone downloads there isnt a single person that doesnt download i dont think unless they dont have a computer with net access
They reckon 6 million people in the uk download. That is quite a large proportion.
I can't see them taking 6 million people to court, or throwing 6 million people in jail.
However, they think from the first few warning letters, at least a 1/2 to 3/4 will stop downloading after receiving the letters (espec considering most are kids whose parents will not be happy)...
This will become a problem when it's only a minority of people left doing it. In this scenerio a few will be made an example of (to deter more people).
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Ian
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Or are they saying allowing someone to use your wireless connection means you are at fault
Kind of. I'm saying that you will get the blame and it will fall to you to pass that on. In the olden days it used to be called a trojan defence as you can claim the same type of mitigation if you're infected by a trojan virus which has other functionality such as allowing hacking from your computer. So you get accused of hacking, you just say someone else was on there. Same as your connection downloaded something. The only cases to my knowledge that have been won using this all had expert evidence that proved that the computers were actually infected at the time that the crime occurred.
So to win a similar case you would need prove that someone was actually there. So unless you actually had some router logs which you could prove you hadn't tampered with which indicated DHCP leases to a foreign MAC, the hardware for which you had already seized, you don't really have a defence as such.
Furthermore, the ISP will have records of when the data transfers start and stop, so I would imagine there would be periods of activity in which you browse the web, check email and queue up the latest aXXo release. Do that a couple of times and it becomes obvious these are your trends. Even if you were using different computers on the same network, there is the the human element of needing someone to instigate the download. And this isn't a murder case, you don't need the same burden of proof. If you were obviously online from your Facebook traffic then whatever else you do at that time is obviously you. Worse case for you would be that your router is divulging IP on the local network which an increasing number do these days. And without knowing exactly what data the prosecution has, you're on dodgy ground trying to pull that one off when it isn't the case.
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Andrew
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul_J
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Originally posted by Andrew
MIght have to stop going on porn sites now
Don't even joke about it... people talk of 'net neutrality' where the ISP's control and govern everything, charging us more for the privaledge of getting less choice or freedom.
This guy sums it up quite well.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AqE8SuLOQxo
I think you are looking far too much into it. Times change and yes, ISPs will try and pull more cash out of us. But that's life and you should be used to it by now.
For example, initially when broadband came out, we got unlimited bandwidth. Now 7 years on, ISPs cap us unless you pay for an unlimited service. But bear in mind, more and more ISPs jumped on the bandwagon and so prices dropped. So now you are still paying less than initially for uncapped usage.
Personally Paul you’re looking at the one theory you have been fed and rely upon that. It's what happens when you go to university. Lecturers are so up their own arse it's unreal. Write down on a piece of paper what they want to hear and you will get first class marks.
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Phi
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i used to use Ares couple years ago, but im sure ive deleted it from my computer now :/ do they just moniter people at random btw? how can they catch everyone!?
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Phi
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oh and they are also saying about making your broadband slower ??!!etc, well its pretty damn slow sometimes anyway! stupid!
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AndyKent
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul_J
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Originally posted by Wrighty
Buy your music / media then, if you like it then surly you should be supporting them by not downloading illegal rips
Yeh but my gripe is, how do you know if you'll like something or not before buying it?
For example a music album, you only hear a single or two, before the release of an album. The album is marketted on the back of the 2 successful singles and as such you have no idea what the othet tracks will be like.
You buy the album. The 2 singles you know are great (if a little bit stale now), but the rest of the album is full of shit songs / filler tracks. money down the shitter.
Shit argument though really. Ok so you download one album and only like two tracks and think "oh good, glad I didn't pay for that". Then the next album you download is ace. I'll bet you won't then go out and legally buy it so either way the music companies (and artists) are loosing out.
Your argument is like shopping. Not sure you'll like the product them so you open a packet and give one a try. There isn't a leg to stand on.
I don't know where you got this threatening thing from either - none of the ISPs are threatening legal action as far as I know - just warning you that what you are doing is illegal and that they may disconnect your service if you persist.
Fines that have been given for downloading have been calculated by a court and, so far, I don't think theres been a case against someone just downloading - they are uploading masses of material too. They may have only downloaded 'Colin McRae' once, but uploaded to 200 other users who might otherwise have gone and paid for the game.
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Ren
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Companies and Artists aint loosing as much as they make out. Yes they're loosing potential sales, but the money is still coming in strong. I read a report about it ages ago which shows that the same money comes from sales no matter who buys/downloads. I wish I could remember the site, because my arguement pretty much falls flat on its face without proof
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Mussolini
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just use google to find "Index of.." sites and download mp3s over http
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DC90
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Old man works for virgin media and said they are going to be clamping down on this a hell of a lot.
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