DC90
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Mate.. All that was going through my mind was "Don't go down"..If I went down I would have been completely and utterly buggered.. Just shows that out of nothing you can get in a real bad situation..
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Ash_EP3
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I've been in a few incidents where my mates have done something and quite a few people weren't happy about it 
They hit him and he hit so and so... it's all just one big circle tbh 
The one thing I fear when fighting or being started on is if I was out with my gf and a load of lads started.... I dread to think what would happen tbh
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J da Silva
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Originally posted by S214_UPP
I could be a complete Cunt and start taking the piss like most on here but am not like that 
If it was me I would have had all of them tbh 
Could have used some help!
Not sure why people are attempting to take this piss, though. Everybody seems to be angels on here and never retaliate to anything. I took a beating for no reason..Family weren't happy and it went from there.
As said above though, pointless now.
You have to understand that CS consists of various cultured people, you will have your do-gooders who are 'angels' like you say, realists who dislike violence but have had to do it in the past, realists who never fought before and can't imagine this sort of situation, you get your everyday chav who thinks he's Brock Lesner, and the people who are generally twisted in the head and have no outside life and sit on here allday and pretend that it's a little village and whatnot, so I wouldn't take any comment too seriously, aslong as you didn't instigate it the thing then I have sympathy for you, but your entourage hasn't helped if anything else comes of it.
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DC90
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Yeah I completely understand..Starting to feel sorry for myself now! Just went into the bathroom, a necklace my mum bought me just fell off..they broke that. Got a big V sign on my back too where i got hit with wood...How shitty.
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Iian
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Feel like a right tosser in all honesty. We was standing, minding our own business, me and Joel were having a beer, next thing Dale is on his toes and by the time me and Joel have got out the gates and made it through the mob of people, Dales managed to get away from bout 12 lads that were holding him. Fcuk knows how, Im proud of him that he got away with only the marks he has.. I feel I should of done more, although it was over by the time I go out the astro, I feel I should of still hit a few of the lads rather than just rush over to Dale. The main lad that started, I had a bit of trouble with in the past. Tried claiming " I tried running him over " so headbutted me for it lol.  I laughed in his face and him and his mates done nothing but still, Id like to apoligise to Dale as I do think as a best mate I should of done more.
They will be dealt with though. Revenge is always sweeter.
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J da Silva
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Maybe they are virgin hunters, stmaping their victims?
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Paul_J
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Must have done something to get the shit beaten out of you by at least 11 lads?
Why??
A group of lads, bored...
I bet they wouldn't of started a fight if it was 11 vs 11... Typical gang's thinking they're tough, so deciding to pick fights on 1 or 2 people uneven numbers for no reason to make themselves feel tough / big.
Been happening for years. The 'shout shit at you' ... you look or respond and then they give you a beating for looking or repsonding has been happening for years.
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you don't have to do anything these days just a look in their direction is a good excuse to knock 7 shades of shit out of you
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DC90
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Originally posted by Iian
Feel like a right tosser in all honesty. We was standing, minding our own business, me and Joel were having a beer, next thing Dale is on his toes and by the time me and Joel have got out the gates and made it through the mob of people, Dales managed to get away from bout 12 lads that were holding him. Fcuk knows how, Im proud of him that he got away with only the marks he has.. I feel I should of done more, although it was over by the time I go out the astro, I feel I should of still hit a few of the lads rather than just rush over to Dale. The main lad that started, I had a bit of trouble with in the past. Tried claiming " I tried running him over " so headbutted me for it lol. I laughed in his face and him and his mates done nothing but still, Id like to apoligise to Dale as I do think as a best mate I should of done more.
They will be dealt with though. Revenge is always sweeter.
Haha no need for apologies..I would have hated to be in the situation you were in..They are a bunch of wankers..
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J da Silva
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Originally posted by Iian
Feel like a right tosser in all honesty. We was standing, minding our own business, me and Joel were having a beer, next thing Dale is on his toes and by the time me and Joel have got out the gates and made it through the mob of people, Dales managed to get away from bout 12 lads that were holding him. Fcuk knows how, Im proud of him that he got away with only the marks he has.. I feel I should of done more, although it was over by the time I go out the astro, I feel I should of still hit a few of the lads rather than just rush over to Dale. The main lad that started, I had a bit of trouble with in the past. Tried claiming " I tried running him over " so headbutted me for it lol. I laughed in his face and him and his mates done nothing but still, Id like to apoligise to Dale as I do think as a best mate I should of done more.
They will be dealt with though. Revenge is always sweeter.
As a best mate you might be better cooling it and leave the thing alone, you'd feel even more of a tosser if he got stabbed/killed then, you've already led things to what DC90 posted about.
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Iian
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He never got started on because of me though ? He never battered an eyelid at me, probs didnt even recognise me. I just think at the time when I got heabutted, I thought it was better off left alone but now, hearing they started on three minor groups its out of order and they should be dealt with. Obviously my own personal opinion but people like this cannot get away with this just because they've had a few drinks ( which was apparently the cause of it ).
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J da Silva
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Ok, but although you feel harshly done to and undoubtedly angry, what if your actions result in a brick hurtling through your window while your family is in the room? Whenever a situation like this arises, I always think of what implications it would have on people I'm associated with, do these people know where I live? Do they know who I'm linked to? Are they capable of going beyond the limits and doing something mad if I act on it? It's hard to know what to do when you have so little time to think.
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Originally posted by RS6
you don't have to do anything these days just a look in their direction is a good excuse to knock 7 shades of shit out of you
Exactly in their mind this is it...
Gangs feel tough when surrounded by all their gang members / mates. Naturally they want to show off to each other 'how tough they are' / plus some feel the world belongs to them. So if you do even the slightest thing (even if they're completely egging you on) - in their mind they think you now deserve a beating.
I can relate to what happened to you today DC90, although this was when I was younger so obv people aren't as strong anyway. They wouldn't of wanted to kill you or anything, but feel there's no 'harm' in just throwing a few shots etc, taking you down etc.
I bet they all were well happy after, thinking they're right little tough fuckers.
The problem is, you'll never get say 1 of them on their own like they did with you and have him show the same balls he did tonight. Instead he'll hide / back down like a pussy, until all his gang of mates are around him and then act like a big balled prick again.
These days, I definately prepare myself mentally for what Jizinho said... basically if they're gonna start on you, you have to be prepared to knock one of them down before they hit you in the hope that it makes the rest fuck off. Obv not with 11 people, but definately if there's 2 or 3 of them.
I've also been hit in my the face before with no warning or even seeing it coming, just someone approaching from behind / the side of me. Killer blow that broke my nose badly. This taught me definately A ) to be alert in situations and B ) if in doubt strike first 100%.
That said, if possible I'll try to avoid anything at all. So walking along, if I see a group of hoods or whatever blatently looking for trouble and I'm on my own, I'll just not make eye contact and continue walking my way. If they shout something I'll just ignore it and continue walking where I was going (however carefully watching for any of them approaching from behind or the side and ready if they do).
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Iian
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They dont know my family, dont know where I live, dont know who I know.. They are crazy yes, and would go beyond limits, but also I know people that would go further than them, as does Dale. In all honesty, as much as you must think logically at times so it doesnt backfire later on, Im an ignorant bastard and dont like having one done over on me, especially by a cock that thinks hes bigger than he is. He is just a bully and I'd pay to see his face RUINED !
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I think it's safe to say alot of us in our teen years especially have had fights and done some pretty nasty things to other kids, but without being cocky I'm a tough little sod, and I grew up in a nasty part of Sao Paolo where people mug you for enough money for a drink, but I don't particularly like walking about at night on my own anymore because they carry allsorts.
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Paul_J
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Originally posted by Iian
Feel like a right tosser in all honesty. We was standing, minding our own business, me and Joel were having a beer, next thing Dale is on his toes and by the time me and Joel have got out the gates and made it through the mob of people, Dales managed to get away from bout 12 lads that were holding him. Fcuk knows how, Im proud of him that he got away with only the marks he has.. I feel I should of done more, although it was over by the time I go out the astro, I feel I should of still hit a few of the lads rather than just rush over to Dale. The main lad that started, I had a bit of trouble with in the past. Tried claiming " I tried running him over " so headbutted me for it lol. I laughed in his face and him and his mates done nothing but still, Id like to apoligise to Dale as I do think as a best mate I should of done more.
To be fair, it's a difficult position to be in. I've been in your shoes before and had my mates in your shoes before when I've been the 'Dale'.
In your position, if you had charged in there hitting people - due to the numbers of them there were, you'd of just got pinned down and kicked the shit out of as well. Infact the fact you were being the 'agressor' in their eyes, may of got you worse off.
That said, watching your mate take a beating is always a bit and at worse I'd of tried pulling the guys off him.
I've had some mates in previous experiences, who have literally stood there watching as someone starts on me and things progress ... they just stand there like 'Hmm what the fuck should I do... ' - infact I think the last time that happened the guy who stood there after said 'I was thinking shit, should I run and get help' from who or what?
To be honest, I didn't want my mate to actually start on them or anything, but by just having someone stand firm with you in that situation makes them less likely to do anything as it starts increasing the risk of it going badly for them. (once again back to the point that they will usually only start on small numbers of people when they're in a big group, so the odds are in their favour).
That said, I've got some mates that in similar situations have been there and backed me up to the hills. I'd do 100% the same back for them. Especially in the scenerio's when I've done nothing to call for anyone to do something, other than for some reason they've taken a disliking to me.
Thankfully 1 of those guys is coming with me on my Round the World trip - I'm really glad he's gonna be there, as although 100% I'm not looking for any trouble at all and hate getting in 'fight situations' - knowing that if some Foreign bastard started on me for no reason, he'd be there 100% to back me up is always good to know.
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J da Silva
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Stay away from urban parts of Rio state then Paul, I'd let Faye be your little tour guide if you want.
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Paul_J
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Slough's bad enough But I think i'd give Rio a miss.
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J da Silva
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It's not worth doing the globe if your not coming to Brazil Pauline, sort it out brother!
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Iian
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Thats true, but with 12 of them on Dale, it could of been 4 on him, for on me and 4 on Joel. As mates, Id rather take a kick in with him than watch him take it all. I hated seeing him get hit but as said previously, by the time I made it out the gates, it was all over so couldnt of pulled them off, and yeah, it probably would of caused more chaos if I started started getting involved but I feel atm why shouldnt I get involved considering so many of them did ?
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Paul_J
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I guess it's area's you're brought up... I actually live in a nice area, but it's surrounded by shite area's
For example, typical child hood memory.
Riding my push bike to see my mate, 2 13 / 14 year old pikey / chav's cycle up next to me and go
"What are you doing on my mate's bike?"
... I reply... "What? this is my bike"
They go "Nah mate, that's my mates bike - We're gonna take it back to him"
- blatent bullshitting bastards trying to nick my bike.
My 10 year old legs never pedalled so hard Thankfully I think they gave up after about 10 mins of me riding flat out.
[Edited on 26-07-2008 by Paul_J]
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that is the thing though, were i live it isnt the nicest of places, i live around the old folk currently but at the end of my road is the local 'estate' which is quite well known for being rough as chuff
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Thats true, but with 12 of them on Dale, it could of been 4 on him, for on me and 4 on Joel. As mates, Id rather take a kick in with him than watch him take it all. I hated seeing him get hit but as said previously, by the time I made it out the gates, it was all over so couldnt of pulled them off, and yeah, it probably would of caused more chaos if I started started getting involved but I feel atm why shouldnt I get involved considering so many of them did ?
Yeah, I understand what you're saying.
But you gotta understand what Jizinho is saying too. To those guys they'll have kicked the shit out of Dale tonight, laughed about it and forgotten about it by tommorrow. But for Dale and you it's stuck in your mind as a major event, to them it was nothing more than 'a laugh'.
For you to go hunt them down with mates and get some revenge, to them will seem like a sign of agression again. As Jizinho says, they'll then start trying to get revenge (which will snowball into something major) and you'll end up with (once they know where you live), your house etc getting smashed up etc.
Thankfully Dale is alright, once his cuts etc have healed, just move on mentally and be prepared for something to happen again in the future (i.e. don't leave Dale on his own!).
Infact some of them may give credit to Dale for taking such a beating and not going down.
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that is the thing though, were i live it isnt the nicest of places, i live around the old folk currently but at the end of my road is the local 'estate' which is quite well known for being rough as chuff
Yeah but how often do you walk through there? If you avoid the area then  and generally it's more dodgy at night, when they've all been at the cider in the park and they're out in force bored.
You're lucky you've never been involved in anything. Some people seem to attract it and some people dont.
For example, naturally big bastards generally attract people starting on them. People who seem to be having a laugh or have things the people who attack you don't have generally are targets etc.
Back in School days etc, it was mainly due to me being quite liked by a lot of people which is why certain people saw me as someone they wanted to get (jealousy). That said I was also a lot bigger than I am now, infact the main reason I tried to get fitter was because I got attacked and thought 'hmm I gotta be able to defend myself'.
But I remember at school, completely out of the blue (note I'd done nothing) ... Some prick walks up to me and goes 'You think you're well hard don't you' - All I was doing was walking past him, not gesturing or doing anything at him. Infact I didn't even notice him till he came at me.
Also how you look etc makes a diff. I feel a lot safer in a hoody walking through shit areas than I do if I'm dressed smart or wearing a trendy T-shirt + expensive jeans, shoes, watch etc.
The biggest shock I had originally when I started going to Car Cruises in my areas, was that all these people who seemed dodgy / dangerous and would start on you if you saw them at night in a gang were actually alright blokes that you could talk cars to (although most of them probably nicked the car they had come down in).
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Iian
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Yeah, totally understand it can escalate, but Im stubborn lol. Never out of intentions would I leave any of my mates alone to get what happened like tonight but it was over by the time I got over. Still feel like I done nothing but everybody in my shoes would probs feel the same even if there was really nothing that could have been done.
Dale deserves alot of credit for taking what he did and coming away with minor injuries, not going down etc. I felt proud of myself at the time he started on me just standing and taking my headbutt and laughing at him for it, him walking away afterwards showed he couldnt do anything to me to hurt me, I was the bigger person than he was, although it still goes down as " you got headbutted, you got beaten up " which annoys me as me and Dale have been the bigger person than this boy in both scenarios.
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