SVM 286
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Originally posted by nova_gteuk
The car that ruined the group b rally,no thanx.
Utter tosh 
One of the cars that was killed off in it's infancy by those that scrapped Grp B.
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Demo
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greatest car ever 
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nova_gteuk
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Originally posted by Eck
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Originally posted by nova_gteuk
The car that ruined the group b rally,no thanx.
Id rather a Talbot sunbeam 
Ruined it?  My head would actually blow up with excitement knowing what cars I could buy for that.
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at Rally Portugal, a Ford RS200 was involved in one of the most dramatic accidents in WRC history, claiming the lives of 3 spectators and injuring many others.The accident at Rally Portugal set off a chain reaction and the RS200 became obsolete after only one full year of competition as the FIA, the governing board which at the time controlled WRC rally racing, abolished Group B after the 1986 season.
After the accident they couldnt even sell the rs200,ford lost thousands because off it. 
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Joe-Tait
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Would have one for the garage along with a metro 6r4 and mk2 escort
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Teddy
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http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/567352.htm
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JoeyB
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I dont remember them looking that ugly...they must look better from the back...like on the computer games.
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Fad
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I would...I mean what ferrai/lambo/porshe will worth what you bought them for in say 5 years time?
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Eck
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Originally posted by nova_gteuk
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Originally posted by Eck
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Originally posted by nova_gteuk
The car that ruined the group b rally,no thanx.
Id rather a Talbot sunbeam
Ruined it? My head would actually blow up with excitement knowing what cars I could buy for that.
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at Rally Portugal, a Ford RS200 was involved in one of the most dramatic accidents in WRC history, claiming the lives of 3 spectators and injuring many others.The accident at Rally Portugal set off a chain reaction and the RS200 became obsolete after only one full year of competition as the FIA, the governing board which at the time controlled WRC rally racing, abolished Group B after the 1986 season.
After the accident they couldnt even sell the rs200,ford lost thousands because off it.
That's the drivers fault, not the car And they should have banned spectators, not the Group B Rally!
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Darkside-Dee
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Originally posted by SVM 286
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Originally posted by Darkside-Dee
if i remember correctly that car is in the same group as the rover metro 6r4 and that means its banned from road use
Dee, was the person who enlightened you with that little gem, smoking a particularly fat rock of crack at the time having already done a speed ball and some Angel Dust?
try nar? its in the same group as a 6r4, been banned from road use, i found this out cos i knew the 6r4 had been banned!
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Tom
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Originally posted by Darkside-Dee
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Originally posted by SVM 286
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Originally posted by Darkside-Dee
if i remember correctly that car is in the same group as the rover metro 6r4 and that means its banned from road use
Dee, was the person who enlightened you with that little gem, smoking a particularly fat rock of crack at the time having already done a speed ball and some Angel Dust?
try nar? its in the same group as a 6r4, been banned from road use, i found this out cos i knew the 6r4 had been banned!
omg you chump, keep digging yourself further into that 'clever hole'
[Edited on 03-07-2008 by Tom]
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Tom
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Spot the registration plate 
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Fad
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Is that why myself Jr and SVM have all seen numerous road legal ones
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nova_gteuk
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The 6r4 wasnt banned form road use,it was banned from the rally as they deemed it to "quick" 
And im sure the road version of the 6r4 was called a clubman and didnt have as much power as the rally version?
And eck people have always blamed the rs200,not the driver the car
The Rs200 road versions sat in a warehouse for years because they couldnt sell them,All 200 of them.
And tbh it wasnt even that good a car.
My fav the talbot sunbeam was one of the best imo.
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Eck
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Originally posted by nova_gteuk
The 6r4 wasnt banned form road use,it was banned from the rally as they deemed it to "quick"
And im sure the road version of the 6r4 was called a clubman and didnt have as much power as the rally version?
And eck people have always blamed the rs200,not the driver the car
The Rs200 road versions sat in a warehouse for years because they couldnt sell them,All 200 of them.
And tbh it wasnt even that good a car.
My fav the talbot sunbeam was one of the best imo.
The RS200 never really got a chance though Don't get me wrong btw, I'm a hater of the RS200. They chopped the RS1700t so that they could make it, and I will never forgive Ford for that.
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jr
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as fad and svm have stated
THIS and the other group B cars ARE NOT BANNED FROM THE ROAD
and no car was banned from group b, the whole group b was disbanded
the talbot sunbeam wasnt a modern day group b car anyway
and no 200 didnt sit in a warehouse either, belive me
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jr
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if i had more time id go paulj on this subject
but if you really want to blame someone, blame the FIA for lack of crowd control, and audi, who pulled out of all group b competitions as soon as the rs accident happend
that killed group b, not ford or a metro
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Butler
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I have a pic of that rs200 on my phone from autosport international. Ive seen a fair few of rs200s now. Will Ormes is probably my favourite.
It would be a ridiculous statement to say the RS200 isnt a good car, it didnt do well in group B but came in too late, only got 1 year before the series was banned and never had a chance to prove itself. Based purely on the purpose for which it was built, it is my favourite car of all time.
Talbot Sunbeam is group 4 isnt it?
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Robbo
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If I were gonna pay £60k ish ona Ford it would be on a Shelby GT500 Mustang 
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nova_gteuk
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Originally posted by jr
as fad and svm have stated
THIS and the other group B cars ARE NOT BANNED FROM THE ROAD
and no car was banned from group b, the whole group b was disbanded
the talbot sunbeam wasnt a modern day group b car anyway
and no 200 didnt sit in a warehouse either, belive me
That would mean clarkson and most internet sites including the rsowners club is wrong,regarding the 200 made sitting in a warehouse.i was talking to a group last year when the rs show was in margam in port talbot a guy who owns an rs200 even said they sat in a warehouse for years.
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The International career of the MG Metro 6R4 was a short one, but not as a results of the car being a failure. In fact it was the cars success and other rally cars like it, that led to it being banned from World Championship Rallying. It is only now being reconised as one of the 'classic' Group B rally cars of the mid eighties, and it is also taking it's rightful place as a genuine part of MG history.
That and lots of other sites say it was banned from the wrc??
And a talbot/lotus sunbeam not a modern day group b rally car?
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Butler
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Talbot Sunbeam is not group b, thats fact.... Pretty sure its a group 4 car. Where are you getting your facts from?
While were here, just thought I would point out that I was quicker round lydden than russell brookes sunbeam works rally car lol
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Butler
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Also what do you mean modern day? Talbot sunbeams were competing before group b came along.
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nova_gteuk
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Originally posted by Butler
Talbot Sunbeam is not group b, thats fact.... Pretty sure its a group 4 car. Where are you getting your facts from?
While were here, just thought I would point out that I was quicker round lydden than russell brookes sunbeam works rally car lol
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Some Sunbeam Lotus' were still driven in WRC events being homologated into Group B in late 1983. Sunbeam Lotus works drivers included the late Henri Toivonen, Guy Fréquelin (co-driven by Jean Todt) who narrowly missed out on being the Driver's World Champion in 1981,
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Tom
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Originally posted by jr
as fad and svm have stated
I think you'll find I did that 
Can't see past your bum boys posts eh
Agreed though nova gte is talking shit again, lotus sunbeam was never proper group b of any kind.
[Edited on 03-07-2008 by Tom]
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nova_gteuk
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yes i know im talking shit.
The talbot/lotus sunbeam was used at the start of the group b, untill talbot pulled out of the rally.
Even colin mcrae started his career in one.
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jr
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right
i havent got time for this, but i'll give it a go
as butler said, the sunbeam was possibly a diffrent class (poss group 4) but certainly not group b as we knew it, but more of the class it was in became group b , infact the last 2wd car to win in group B was a manta 400 iirc, and that was horribly outdated by then
with regards to the 200, out of the 200 20-24 where converted to "evo" spec, but never used in anger in group b, as that was planned for the 87 season with the bigger capactiy BDT-E
these cars were not new builds, but went back on there original chassis, these undoubtable did sit at either reliant or boreham to be converted
but at no point was there a factory with 200 rs200 sitting in it unsold, i do agree at some point there was a percentage of them laying about, and thats why they attempted to sell them as a LUX version
stuart turner even used one as his road car iirc
[Edited on 03-07-2008 by jr]
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