ryzer
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well done, Im the same as you mate, just want a pass, will be happy with that, get my results soon so fingers crossed, there is options for me to do a repeat year and get a 2.2 but dunno if i can be arsed.
oh, and im starting a job at HP on tuesday, and they didnt even ask me when i get my results! didnt even mention this in the interview so i think i made the right choice.
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Planty02
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Good luck mate. I was tempted to apply for HP for my placement year but chickened out in the end as I didnt fancy moving to Germany....I assue youre in the UK offices?
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ryzer
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yeah, head office, doing something random, i worked there for my placement but for one of their on site contractors, either way i can work hard and move upwards.
or join the armed forces like i originally planned
they dont need to know that!
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Planty02
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 fair play mate, good luck 
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ed
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Not really. Prospective employers ask "so what have you done for the passed 3 years?", ermmm dossed at Uni and failed a degree, yet still with debt. Having a degree and doing the full term at Uni is better than having no degree and doing full term.
Respectable perfessions such as sciences etc, will require that you state your degree, but most don't and just want you to state that you have one or not. And you don't have to list your grade on your CV either.
I know. But a gap in your history is worse than a 3rd level degree imho.
I'd rather someone had the tenacity and determination to go to Uni and actually scrape through (after all they may not be that bright) with a 3rd, then go and completely fail or sit on their ass for 3 years etc.
It doesn't really take much tenacity and determination to scrape through does it. An employer will think you're a layabout if you haven't done anything for three years, be it at university or by just not having a job. You've done the same thing. Sat about on your arse and pissed time away.
If you go to uni you are there to work and you should be adult enough to realise you are spending a lot of money and investing in your future so the time to mess about has been and gone for a while.
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Paul_J
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well said ed.
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deano87
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But, nearly everyone can go to Uni now, regardless of UCAS points and so on. The fact you got a 3rd in your degree shows that you at least tried and achieved something, rather immediately go into work. Obviously it depends on previous grades i.e. A's and B's in A-levels then shit Uni grades it's different.
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I sure a shell couldnt have afforded to go to uni, spend £3k per year on term fees and then the rest to come out of it with a 3rd class degree, but im listenignt o both sides of the argument (which tbf, I started lol)
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ed
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I just cannot tolerate doing group work with people who are happy to scrape through. That's just where my views come from, that and the Chinese who can hardly speak a word of bloody English 
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I just cannot tolerate doing group work with people who are happy to scrape through. That's just where my views come from, that and the Chinese who can hardly speak a word of bloody English
No, I'm exactly the same. And for one seminar last year I was the only English person  I nearly quite Uni over it because I was struggling with the whole communication thing.
I tend to avoid working with those lay-abouts, but some people try and just aren't bright etc.
Honestly, what scenario would you say is better.
1) Going to Uni for 3 years and getting a 3rd.
2) Going to Uni for 3 years, failing, and having nothing to put on your CV, showing a 3 year gap which will be questioned by prospective employers.
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Paul_J
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But, nearly everyone can go to Uni now, regardless of UCAS points and so on. The fact you got a 3rd in your degree shows that you at least tried and achieved something, rather immediately go into work. Obviously it depends on previous grades i.e. A's and B's in A-levels then shit Uni grades it's different.
but imo I agree with ed, it doesn't really show you tried and achieved. It shows that you barely tried and scraped through.
a 2:2 is fine, but a 3rd is practically saying 'I barely put any effort in to achieve this degree, and therefore it's likely I'm going to put as little effort in to your company when you hire me'.
That said, a lot of employers may not look at the grade, it all depends who and where you want to work.
I know personally for the line of work I want to go into I needed a minimum 2:1 in a computer science degree to even get a look in, even though I got a 1st I still know I'm going to have a uphill battle to get a job I want (just because of how many people have degree's these days).
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how in christs name did you pass? you did nothing
edit: congrats none the less
[Edited on 20-06-2008 by Matt L]
P.s. deano, i base my opinions on this...
It doesn't seem that he tried 100% hard and only got a 3rd as he couldn't achieve any better... Based on this comment, it's like he just couldn't be bothered to put 100% effort in and as such only got a 3rd.
Big difference between the two.
I agree saying you never got a degree or failing it is probably worse (as employer's would question what he has been doing?) - but If you gave a choice between never going to uni and working for 3 years or going to uni not putting any effort in, getting into debt and walking out with a low 3rd, I think he should of worked harder at his degree or just gone to work and never gone to uni imo.
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I know that if I were to go in and work as a designer, machine programmer or a CAD operator at any of the companys I have spoken to they require a 'high quality degree from a reputable institution'. i.e. a 1st or 2nd class degree from, say, Aston 
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Im hoping to scrape through next year also I am after the Hons if possible, then I will have a BA(Hons) Accountancy & Finance
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ed
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I'm confused about the honours thing. Do you do an extra bit of work or something in your final year to do it?
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deano87
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I'm pretty sure you have to complete a dissertation to get an honours degree - that is what my sister was told at Middlesex anyway.
I'm not too bothered, as I won't be in that position
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Planty02
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at Staffordshire uni you have to complete a 12 month (36 week minimum) Industrial placement year and a final year project (dissertation) to achieve a Honours degree
EDIT: since posting earlier I have been looking at the results and it seems very unclear, it simple says "Ordinary Degree" so I wil need to wait for more details through the post but I may have achieved higher than a 3rd, just without honours (i.e. weak final year project) but otherwise ok
[Edited on 20-06-2008 by Planty02]
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Robbo
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i wrote a 5 thousand word dissertation and i have an honours degree 
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dannymccann
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AFAIK (could be wrong) on my course you get Hons if you pass all the different modules (5 each year). If you fail one you dont get the honours but can still get the degree.
I have no dissertation to write
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I finished my post grad course thursday, my 17th year of schooling lol.
Will hopefully be a practicing solicitor by september! Its a little scary to think that someone will be paying £100+ an hour for my advice haha
Well done mate!
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ryzer
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Originally posted by dannymccann
AFAIK (could be wrong) on my course you get Hons if you pass all the different modules (5 each year). If you fail one you dont get the honours but can still get the degree.
I have no dissertation to write
what he said, dissertation was an optional module for me.
btw, people need to get off their high horse, what gives you the right to call someone lazy or half arsed? robbo you dont know what job the said person wants to go into, what their academic ability is, or even if they could be bothered, what has it got to do with you?
ed, yes i agree with the chinese comment, we have the same issue at our university, its a joke they can achieve higher than someone, yet cannot speak fluent english.
i personnally believe that university on the whole is a joke, people go now because they dont know what else to do, they get daddy to pay their way, and sit on their arse. that bit i agree with.
in my situation, im not academic, i struggle with exams, as my results have always shown, yet i get low Bs and high Cs in my coursework, enough to get a 2.2. but my poor exam results mean im likely to get a 3rd this
combined with the fact im pissed off with the standard of the teaching at my university, which is shocking, ive never had a tutor or anyone i can go to to get the help i required, i had to go and find them and they usually werent the person that did the lecture.
Im a grafter, i work hard in jobs that i have had and have always had a job, all returning excellent references, im not stupid either, but I had to go to uni, otherwise i would always be dismissed because of not having a degree.
what im saying is you cant judge someone by their degree class. most of the people getting 2.1 that i have seen are completely out of touch with the real world, they lack initative, common sense, and havent a clue with how to deal with customers.
anyway, to say someone is lazy or cant be arsed solely on grades isnt fair. people go to university for different reasons, and they are their on reasons, not yours.
rant over.
[Edited on 21-06-2008 by ryzer]
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Ordinary Degree is without your honours and not classified.
Well done anyway mate. It's not easy at uni especially if you're not academic driven. I worked my arse off and managed a 2:2 last year. Admit to doing as little as possible during the first 2 years but come the third year knew what needed to be done.
Went for my results with two mates and got my results first as the lecturer knew me after some serious pestereing thoughout the year lolz. Almost hit the floor with shock as i was expecting the worse. My two mates failed  One quit and still has not gone back, the other took a standard as he had just enough to make it.
Job wise, the lad who dropped out now works at ASDA still, the lad with the standard degree went into a programming role and i become a computer techie which is where i always wanted to be Some days i'd love to be working at ASDA with the amount of stress in my job, others i love it.
This credit crunch is not helping anyone though. I'd have to double what i get paid to be able to move to a decent area and have the odd weekend out. That's just how it is at the moment.
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