Paul_J
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^^ Exactly spot on.
I honestly don't know how they can expect kids to know what they want to do at uni / for a career the rest of their life, when they have no experience of anything other than A-Levels and doing a part time job in a shop 
Probably why so many get pushed into doing 'Media Studies / Philosophy / etc' and end up with worthless degree's
Or even why some people who do degree's - go do the job they are qualified for and then realise they hate it and want to go back to uni to retrain as something else!
My placement year opened my eyes a lot! As well as gaining me vital experience, it made me realise how unimportant a degree is, especially when your foot is in the door somewhere.
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Dom
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And could go into a job in a recording studio straight after you finnish.
 Dont see anything funny there mate?
Fact is, i know how to use professional equipment, to get the best results, i know how a reverb works, i know how compression works, i know the different micing techniques (alan blumlein, x,y etc), i can use pro tools to a high standard, i can use logic, reason, re-cycle etc, i can use allllll different outboard equipment
And apart from will, who else on here has used a top of the line neve console?
Imo, £6,300 for that is a fucking good price, especaily seeing as a normal uni course is about £5,000 for the year! And what the hell do you do there?! Turn up to lectures, listen to people talking, and take notes! (depending on the course!)
Jacko you're being a bit arrogant about it all. No offence, but most studios that are likely to employ you with little experience with the real world won't have protools HD or a Neve/SSL desks. And yeah it's great that you get to play around with top end stuff but you're knowledge on using lesser equipment is minimal - and you're not going to walk out from doing an SAE or even a uni degree course into a top end studio. And you've said it yourself, "i know how to use professional equipment, to get the best results" but i can probably guaranty, an SAE (nor a lot of uni degrees) course doesn't give you the exposure (and therefore skill or experience) to shitter equipment in able to get the same "magic" results.
Plus, once you're in a studio, the manager/engineer will mould you into how they want you to do certain tasks. And this is the real world experience that most studios want, not the shelter life of doing a course.
And please stop flashing your SAE-e-penis around, it's not impressive. I could happily gab off how i have access to an 88RS, multiple Protools HD systems, custom 12.2 surround sound setup as well as multiple 8.1 setups, a full analogue studio (involving razor blades and tape) and more outboard gear than i could possibly ever use (most studios have TC 6000 £8K reverb units). I could also tell you what you have posted (mixing positions etc) but also about the Nyquist theory, in depth knowledge about both digital and analogue domains, ADC/DAC designs, seismic waves, different filter algorithms and using MaxMSP to create a noughts and crosses game, but im not because it makes me sound like a prick
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Laney
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And apart from will, who else on here has used a top of the line neve console?
And who on this board works in a big studio and has a degree?
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jacko198
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who on this board works in a studio :?
I do totally agree with you dom, but in the same way, i do think that a degree will help a hell of a lot.
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Dom
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who on this board works in a studio :?
I do totally agree with you dom, but in the same way, i do think that a degree will help a hell of a lot.
Not trying to pick on your jacko or anything, just trying to put across how the music industry actual is rather than the glamorised vision that everyone knows. It's a shit industry!
I agree that doing a degree can widen your view on certain aspect, i've learnt that anything can be music after my French-Canadian lecturer told us that his favourite album is 75 minutes of a guy walking around an ice-rink generator holding a mic 
But it's still a sheltered life and it's pretty much worth nothing in the industry - unless you're doing something specific, like acoustics/analogue electronics/digital audio programming etc.
Best advice i can give anyone is that unless you are naturally gifted, have ears like a bat and everything you touch turns to magic, then look at going into the tv/radio audio side of things, it's a lot easier to get into than being a producer/engineer in a music studio.
[Edited on 07-06-2008 by Dom]
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