Scotty C
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True. She is a good student, getting 2.1's etc, going everyday, and even going in in the holidays to get notes, revise etc. It doesn't deserve to happen to her, as it was a mistake.
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deano87
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And tbh it depends on what is written in the book, whether it was just notes so she could work out what words meant, or other notes, then it could change their decision.
On another note, get her to look into the Uni's rules about 'open book' exams. If there is nothing which details it can only be the book and nothing else, there may be a loop hole in the system where she can say "There is no where that says you can't have notes" however, that could be seen as cheeky etc so should be a last resort - but yeah, get her to look into it 
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Thing is it is a daft mistake BUT what they will say is its a daft mistake that only say 1 in 200 people made etc, and therefore you should have thought of it etc, as said all the thinks Ive ever seen on these kind of issues they are generally very intolerable of any cock ups!
Phil - its all well and good to say genuine mistake but how are they to know its a genuine mistake? This is the problem... its her word against theres... she needs to arm herslef up ASAP 
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True. She is a good student, getting 2.1's etc, going everyday, and even going in in the holidays to get notes, revise etc. It doesn't deserve to happen to her, as it was a mistake.
Hopefully they'll see this and recognise the genuine mistake she has made 
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Law isn't the best of courses to be caught cheating on 
She may not have been cheating as you say, but the problem is proving it, what did the notes have on them?
They will know whether or not the person is genuine from the meeting with the exam board, it's a question of what they do about it
The person who got asked to leave, may have been genuinely cheating, go and speak to as many people as you can tbh, although i can see them failing her for that module, and making her resit in the summer (40% max)
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Scotty C
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She said she actually had the names of some courts or something which were the answers to some of the questions.
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John
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They are very strick im afraid.
You wouldn't have got in even if they were in no way strict would you.
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She said she actually had the names of some courts or something which were the answers to some of the questions.
Thats not good lol
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Originally posted by Monster
True. She is a good student, getting 2.1's etc, going everyday, and even going in in the holidays to get notes, revise etc. It doesn't deserve to happen to her, as it was a mistake.
Hopefully they'll see this and recognise the genuine mistake she has made
I wouod hazard as well that they can tell the differnce between a cheater and somebody who has amde a mistake by the way they act etc
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Thanks for that info, didn't think you could take it that far.
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The student can challenge the decision of the University Board to the Ministry of Education and Research. If the Ministry supports the University Board’s decision, the student can, pursuant to the regulations in the University and College Act, § 43, request a judicial examination of all aspects of the decision. In that case, the student must file a civil suit against NLH within three months after having received the Ministry’s rejection of the student’s appeal.
The summons is issued to a court. It would make sense that the student appoints a lawyer for the case, since NLH has to cover the student’s expenses for legal assistance, pursuant to the University and College Act, § 43. The lawyer is the student’s legal representative in the case. The lawyer is paid according to national rates in accordance with the Free Legal Aid Act.
The summons contains a summary of the case (based on evidence), procedural comments and a statement of claim. The court sends a copy of the summons to NLH, who, via its legal representative, gives notice of its intention to defend in the form of pleadings. There may be several rounds of pleadings.
NLH’s treatment of such cases is the responsibility of the University Director. As soon as NLH is informed that a case has been or presumably will be taken to court, a responsible executive officer shall be appointed in order to coordinate all work relating to the case, including communication with both parties’ legal representatives.
When the case comes to court, NLH appears with a legal representative with authorisation from the Vice-chancellor, cf. the University and College Act, § 56. As representative, a head of office or other leading administrative staff member familiar with the case should appear in court. The actual trial consists of opening speeches by both parties (plaintiff and defendant), statements by the litigant parties, examinations (witnesses and experts) and argument by counsel. The court trial is to be conducted according to the regulations laid down in the Civil Procedure Act.
When the case has been taken to court, all communication with the student and his/her legal representative shall be carried out via NLH’s legal representative.
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Fingers crossed. They are human.
TBH, she needs to make it clear she is happy to sit a referral and get 40% maximum grade for that module/exam.
And put it to them that what's better for their statistics. A student that will potentially get a 1:1 or 2:1 even with the referral, or someone had been 'kicked' out for cheating.
The better the Uni achieves, the more funding etc they get I would imagine.
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Scotty C
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Thanks for help guys, i'll let you know how shes gets on
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Robbo
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Fingers crossed for her mate
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Going in with the attitude that you'll take a referral and 40% is like going in saying i'm guilty imo.
Why go in expecting to settle for something when you were innocent.
I've seen allsorts of dodgy stuff going on in exams though, including a girl clearly fumbling about in her pocket and then pulling out a sheet of lined a4 paper and reading from it without being caught.
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Going in with the attitude that you'll take a referral and 40% is like going in saying i'm guilty imo.
Why go in expecting to settle for something when you were innocent.
I've seen allsorts of dodgy stuff going on in exams though, including a girl clearly fumbling about in her pocket and then pulling out a sheet of lined a4 paper and reading from it without being caught.
I would imagine that if they found it before the exam started, she hasn't even taken it, therefore a referral is her only option.
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Originally posted by Superlite Ltd.
They are very strick im afraid.
You wouldn't have got in even if they were in no way strict would you.
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spelling, ed 
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Superlite Ltd.
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oh yeah!
d'oh
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Gutted for her. I do Law and we're allowed to take in all the lecture outlines, I didn't write on them but I marked them accidently with a pen here and there when reading them and got told I had to print them again! 43 pages  I hope she can sort it out buddy
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All the experts in this thread - remarkable.
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Originally posted by nova_gteuk
Id speak to the principal
You can't speak to the Principal. The answer will be to exhaust the departmental procedure first. They don't get involved unless everyone else underneath has done what they need to.
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Originally posted by nova_gteuk
if they think ruining her career over a genuine mistake is acceptable,they shouldnt be in the teaching profession.
Genuine mistake or otherwise, she is at an advantage in the exam. If they are happy to compromise academic standards then perhaps they shouldn't be in the profession, but if they are upholding standards then they are quite appropriately placed in my opinion.
There will be policy that they follow in these cases, worth getting a copy if you can. If it's not the web site then you could technically make a Freedom of Information request - just an email to the FOI officer will normally do the job although they may also ask for it in writing, although she'll most likely be provided with a copy before that goes through.
Best advice I can offer though is wait and see what they say. In my experience there will be a hearing in which she can present a case and they'll tell her the outcome. You can appeal but if the procedure has been followed and no new evidence comes to light that'll go the same way as the hearing.
Best of luck anyway, tell her not to be too worried, she need only to be honest in the hearing. Don't say any of this crap -
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And put it to them that what's better for their statistics. A student that will potentially get a 1:1 or 2:1 even with the referral, or someone had been 'kicked' out for cheating.
The better the Uni achieves, the more funding etc they get I would imagine.
That'll all just annoy them. They're professional people so they'll be acutely aware of those things, they don't want blackmailing in what is simply an opportunity to establish the facts of the situation in order for them to make a decision privately.
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Id speak to the principal
Thats what the principal is there for i would of thought?,anything of this nature could turn to legal action being taken.
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if they think ruining her career over a genuine mistake is acceptable,they shouldnt be in the teaching profession.
Im sorry but as a teacher they should know,people make mistakes,its called being human,all shed have to do is reatake the exam with out the notes?seeing as she hadnt even started i cant see much of a problem with that? and a stern warning about things like that in future?
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not read the full thread but she should just go in, tell them it was a genuine mistake, etc and be honest.
She should be ok...
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I reckon she will get a re-sit on the test. Happens all the time, People trying to cheat.
People who are saying she will get chucked out or will lose everything......STFU
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Ian
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Thats what the principal is there for
Perhaps eventually but not straight away. If they got involved in every disciplinary from the outset they would do nothing else all day. They are there to run the organisation, not micromanage what are effectively minor foreseen issues that they have a great many staff capable of sorting it.
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A lot of these people who seem so knowledgable on this subject seem to be a lot of the people who think that university is a waste of time. Wierd huh?
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