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Steve X16XE
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17th Apr 08 at 19:50   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
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Can't you scan it in? I've never seen a graph for one of these engines.

Yeh I'll do it at work 2moro and post up


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Dave A
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Did a VTS the other day, custom 4-2-1 manifold with custom made 2 box system, decat, cams and decat and it made 148 bhp @ fly.

another customers with the same spec but with a 106 gti made 149.5 bhp
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Did a VTS the other day, custom 4-2-1 manifold with custom made 2 box system, decat, cams and decat and it made 148 bhp @ fly.

another customers with the same spec but with a 106 gti made 149.5 bhp


when you see figures like that so easily achieved does make me contemplate one
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Did a VTS the other day, custom 4-2-1 manifold with custom made 2 box system, decat, cams and decat and it made 148 bhp @ fly.

another customers with the same spec but with a 106 gti made 149.5 bhp


when you see figures like that so easily achieved does make me contemplate one


Your not the only one and can pick up tidy vts's for next to nothing now.
Paul_J
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Did a VTS the other day, custom 4-2-1 manifold with custom made 2 box system, decat, cams and decat and it made 148 bhp @ fly.

another customers with the same spec but with a 106 gti made 149.5 bhp


when you see figures like that so easily achieved does make me contemplate one


to be honest, most gti / vts's with cat cam 708s on Saxo Sports club make 155-160 bhp...
Steve X16XE
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to be honest, most gti / vts's with cat cam 708s on Saxo Sports club make 155-160 bhp...


How different are those figures going to be for the C2 VTS and how much for all them?
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cams I used were catcams 708's however anything above 150 is a bit optimistic tbh. headwork will go a long way with this spec engine though.
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how much do the cams and set up cost?
thegsi
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how much do the cams and set up cost?

around £600-£800 ish?
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catcams 708's inc fitting and timing in is £500.
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cams I used were catcams 708's however anything above 150 is a bit optimistic tbh. headwork will go a long way with this spec engine though.


who mapped it?

Loads of cat cam 708 cars have made 155 ish @ fly on many different rollers... the most common mapper being 'Wayne Schofield' from chipwizards.

And that's with standard head...

exhaust system, filter, mani, cat cam 708's, and remap ...

I could find you probably 50+ cars that have this combo of mods that made 155-160 bhp and were done all around the country and run on all different rollers.

Perhaps you just didn't get the best out of the cams with your tweaks / map?
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Or was the 148 bhp one with cat cams unmapped?

in which case, then you expect it to not make much power :lol and be crap fuel economy and crap idling...

People should always get a remap after fitting those cams.
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how much do the cams and set up cost?


cams around £350 ish

fitting well - depends, I got mine fitted with a cambelt kit + water pump for £100 all in.

and mapping was £475
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not really some gtis can make 130bhp standard, good ol french manufacturing tolerances, also the later ones have the cats in teh manifolds and the egr valve

No the earlier ones had cat in manifold and EGR not later ones.


it was the later ones trust me iv had these cars for years and tuned them
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afaik all the cats were under the car, definately the early ones...

later models had egr..
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cams I used were catcams 708's however anything above 150 is a bit optimistic tbh. headwork will go a long way with this spec engine though.


who mapped it?

Loads of cat cam 708 cars have made 155 ish @ fly on many different rollers... the most common mapper being 'Wayne Schofield' from chipwizards.

And that's with standard head...

exhaust system, filter, mani, cat cam 708's, and remap ...

I could find you probably 50+ cars that have this combo of mods that made 155-160 bhp and were done all around the country and run on all different rollers.

Perhaps you just didn't get the best out of the cams with your tweaks / map?



I mapped one, Noble motorsport mapped the other. On both engines more peak BHP was possible but only by retarding cam timing and pushing peak power higher and sacrificing torque in the lower RPM's. depends what you are after, high peak figures for pub talk or a nicer better engine to drive on the road.
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well ive just bought the same sorta mods for mine, raceland enclosed induction with green filter, pugsport decat, and raceland 421. i will get a rr thing in the summer and see what it makes... steve i thought the older ones had the cat in the mani, as mine is after the downpipe? (2002 gti)
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im used to driving my corsa which is what... 40-50 bhp, if im looking at around 130-140bhp fuck!!
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cams I used were catcams 708's however anything above 150 is a bit optimistic tbh. headwork will go a long way with this spec engine though.


who mapped it?

Loads of cat cam 708 cars have made 155 ish @ fly on many different rollers... the most common mapper being 'Wayne Schofield' from chipwizards.

And that's with standard head...

exhaust system, filter, mani, cat cam 708's, and remap ...

I could find you probably 50+ cars that have this combo of mods that made 155-160 bhp and were done all around the country and run on all different rollers.

Perhaps you just didn't get the best out of the cams with your tweaks / map?



I mapped one, Noble motorsport mapped the other. On both engines more peak BHP was possible but only by retarding cam timing and pushing peak power higher and sacrificing torque in the lower RPM's. depends what you are after, high peak figures for pub talk or a nicer better engine to drive on the road.


so first you say anything over 150 is 'optimistic'

and now you say anything over 150 is fine, but you just chose to keep it lower and maintain lower torque. Make your mind up mate.


So as I was saying, 155-160 bhp is possible with just a set of cat cam 708s.
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So as I was saying, 155-160 bhp is possible with just a set of cat cam 708s.




so a standard 1.6 16v engine will make 155-160 with just cams? no it wont.
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sorry paul, just noticed what you meant in your last post. 150+ is achievable but anything over 160 is optimistic with those mods.
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agreed
Scotty C
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Very nice that mate, sounds lovely.


You wanna be in the damn car when he changes at 7,200rpm
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DEFFO the late Saxos had the cats in the manifold, I had one in my backyard for a year
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what did it make the the wheels?

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