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no one would be growing their own cannabis if it was legal... whats the point?
cost for one, if it were legal id have my own little grow
It would cost you close to £1000 pounds to set up the equipment needed to successfully harvest cannabis-- it would also be illegal still.... would it really be worth the risk and money when you could go to a shop and buy better quality weed for less than you pay for it now?
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yes yes dr pepper, lets not turn this into OMG LETS LEGALISE GANJA!
its been over done and alot of peoplek now about the stats when you compare it to stuff like tabacco or alcohol.
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The problem is not in drunks causing fights wereas stoners stay at home.
Its the illegal industry behind it that causes crime of a very serious nature. It makes me laugh how so many people into drugs are the first to kick off about burglaries/car crime/muggings/organised crime/murder and how bad society is for it, when they are giving these criminals the funds to continue.
I dont think it should be illegal, but it is and this creates the sub culture.
Its not about people going out and causing fights on the piss, its about the 13year old girl who got raped and murdered in reading by an organised drug dealing gang/outfit whatever you want them to be called.
Makes me sick tbh.
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Originally posted by Dr Pepper
It would cost you close to £1000 pounds to set up the equipment needed to successfully harvest cannabis-- it would also be illegal still.... would it really be worth the risk and money when you could go to a shop and buy better quality weed for less than you pay for it now?
depends on your definition of better quality, and growing methods, hydro or organic etc
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yeah Jambo, but theres always two sides to the people who produce and supply such substances, some people are out there to sort out makes and just have their own stash, some (from the east part of the world) like to traffic immigrants into the country, take over houses, steal power/gas and turn them into skunk farms  - these being the type which assist in organised crime and whatever.
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We reckoned one of the houses down our road was a weed facotry, every night about 10pm a bunch of vietnameese would appear there were fucking 20 of them. Very dodgy curtains allways drawn etc.
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Dr Pepper
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Originally posted by Jambo
The problem is not in drunks causing fights wereas stoners stay at home.
Its the illegal industry behind it that causes crime of a very serious nature. It makes me laugh how so many people into drugs are the first to kick off about burglaries/car crime/muggings/organised crime/murder and how bad society is for it, when they are giving these criminals the funds to continue.
I dont think it should be illegal, but it is and this creates the sub culture.
Its not about people going out and causing fights on the piss, its about the 13year old girl who got raped and murdered in reading by an organised drug dealing gang/outfit whatever you want them to be called.
Makes me sick tbh.
Simple solution to what you are saying- - legalise all drugs and get rid of the dealers completely-- I would certainly support addictive drugs being given free to users by a doctor as part of a control or rehabilitation programme.
By the way most have what you have quoted above does not apply to cannabis dealers who are mainly friends of a friend and not big time dealers.
I agree completely though -- I dont want to fund dealers and terrorists-- legalise wees and no one will have to be part of this sub culture
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go round the back of it and look for a large vent, take a big deep breath.
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dr pepper i dont mean a full crop in my loft or spare room just a couple of small plants in a wordrobe etc would cost about 50 quid to set that up
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dr pepper i dont mean a full crop in my loft or spare room just a couple of small plants in a wordrobe etc would cost about 50 quid to set that up
What would be the point? You would harvest fuk all out of that - and you are running the risk of going to prison -- wouldnt you rather just go to a shop and pay £20 for an 8th of good quality pure weed- nice and legal and you pay your tax.
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Whilst i agree with Cannabis bieng legal, making something like cocaine legal would be the biggest mistake ever. Not only would companies manafacturing it effectively be given complete control over many many peoples lives, the effect on society would be alarming. Workforces crumbling, there are too many bad memories from what America was like when it was legal and in EVERYTHING medicinal from headache tablets to soap. It was a very very very bad idea.
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go round the back of it and look for a large vent, take a big deep breath.
with a grow on that scale they would have carbon filters so no smell, if not they are thick 
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if the street value is £20, how much do you think it will be once tax and shit gets added on?
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go round the back of it and look for a large vent, take a big deep breath.
with a grow on that scale they would have carbon filters so no smell, if not they are thick
I know nothing about that but ok
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Its not about people going out and causing fights on the piss, its about the 13year old girl who got raped and murdered in reading by an organised drug dealing gang/outfit whatever you want them to be called.
Makes me sick tbh.
And this happens majority to people from drug gangs? Nothing to do with other forms of gangs and illegal activity. Nothing down to a drunken bunch of teenage gang wannabes?
Is it the drugs causing it, or just the peoples mindset?
Sure, take away the illegal factor, drug crime would drop as thers no point going to a dealer and risk the issues you mentioned, or go to a legal outlet?
I don't really think you can tarnish the fact the gang is into the drugs scene purley on the rape. Most of these people will have mental issues to start with.
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blame the media.
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Whilst i agree with Cannabis bieng legal, making something like cocaine legal would be the biggest mistake ever. Not only would companies manafacturing it effectively be given complete control over many many peoples lives, the effect on society would be alarming. Workforces crumbling, there are too many bad memories from what America was like when it was legal and in EVERYTHING medicinal from headache tablets to soap. It was a very very very bad idea.
Exactly.
You think a dealer dealing a bit of weed would get into it? Why7 when theres so much more money to be made from cocaine and such. Harder class drugs, heroin, cocaine, amphetomin ?sp...
Your local weed dealer won't get into this kind of crime. You'd be too monged.
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Wacky backy is worse for you than a lot of people are making out it's not some namby pamby play thing that makes you giggle at the telly and eat bags of marshmallows. It can cause serious mental issues as well as turning you into an empty shell of a person. The harder drugs are demonised in the public eye but dope can be every bit as damaging on a person.
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dr pepper i dont mean a full crop in my loft or spare room just a couple of small plants in a wordrobe etc would cost about 50 quid to set that up
What would be the point? You would harvest fuk all out of that - and you are running the risk of going to prison -- wouldnt you rather just go to a shop and pay £20 for an 8th of good quality pure weed- nice and legal and you pay your tax.
probably get a couple of oz depending on whats gown which would last a few weeks till next crops ready but im only saying i would do that if it were legal and yes i would love to be able to go to the shops and buy a nice 8th for £20
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Whilst i agree with Cannabis bieng legal, making something like cocaine legal would be the biggest mistake ever. Not only would companies manafacturing it effectively be given complete control over many many peoples lives, the effect on society would be alarming. Workforces crumbling, there are too many bad memories from what America was like when it was legal and in EVERYTHING medicinal from headache tablets to soap. It was a very very very bad idea.
No one would support cocaine being lagal.... what I am saying is that istead of letting addicts run loose stealing and mugging to fund their habbit untill they eventually die of an over dose..... why not get addicts into a programme where they are issued with free pure drugs as part of a recovery programme.
If their addiction can not be cured it can be controlled in a safe way by giving drugs out on perscription... it would cost the tax payer far less than our current system does and the need to steal to fund a habbit from a dealer would be massively reduced.
I am not promoting selling smack in shops-- im advocating actually dealing with the problem rather than ignoring it and fighting a pointless battle against users.
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lets open a skag shop
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Wacky backy is worse for you than a lot of people are making out it's not some namby pamby play thing that makes you giggle at the telly and eat bags of marshmallows. It can cause serious mental issues as well as turning you into an empty shell of a person. The harder drugs are demonised in the public eye but dope can be every bit as damaging on a person.
Completly depends on the person.
Much the same way a few shots will make one person pissed, and another person won't be effect.
Its also proven that peopel who tend to have mental issues from cannabis usually have some outlying mental issue, bad family upbringing etc...
Im not going to sit here and say it isn't harmfull, but with all things, moderation is the key.
Drink too much, get liver cancer.
Smoke too much, get lung cancer.
Smoke too much weed, it will start to put you into your own shell.
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Wacky backy is worse for you than a lot of people are making out it's not some namby pamby play thing that makes you giggle at the telly and eat bags of marshmallows. It can cause serious mental issues as well as turning you into an empty shell of a person. The harder drugs are demonised in the public eye but dope can be every bit as damaging on a person.
Come on mate-- we all know the effects of cannabis- same as we know the effects of smoking, drinking, driving too fast. What you are referring to is heavy prolonged abuse of a substance- if you abuse any drug it will hurt you.
The fact is that abuse opf alcohol is far more damaging short term than abuse of cannabis... its the long term effects of cannabis which are damaging in some cases- nobody is disputing it is bad for you - we are disputing the fact that in nearlt every way alcohol is worse for you and everyone around you.
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I agree with both VXR and Hammer, it isnt a harmless drug but as mentioned many times neither is ciggettes and alcohol.
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Hammer
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For the record i have smoked it in the past and still do very rarely when im pissed so i understand it's effects.
I have 2 mates that smoke a half ounce of grass a week minimum each and they both hold down decent jobs and appear to be completely unaffected by it during the working week so i also understand it depends on the individual. I just think a semblance of reality is taken away when talking about it as it come's across as being nothing more than a giggly cigarette that gives you the munchies, which isn't quite true.
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