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But again, I bet you are doing your calculations based upon changing GBP into the foreign currency. It doesn't work like that.
Reducing the tax of fuel might help reduce things, but the major factor is buying it in, import tax/duty and wages for those working in the UK.
As an example, a shop assistant in the UK might be on £15k. A shop assistant in the USA might be on $20k, that being £10k. To them, their physical products (food electronics) are just about as expensive as they are to us, might be half price to us, but PROPORTIONALLY cost a similar amount.
Ok, so thats a very simple example (and probably not 100% on the figures) but you should get the idea.
[Edited on 26-01-2008 by aPk]
However you look at that example, someone that earns £15k here or £15k in the US but buys a product a a 50% reduced sale price is better off.
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House prices have nothing to do with the government - they have very little influence over prices. The property market makes costs what they are, if someone is willing to pay £120k then they can. Thats more to do with the disposable income of those buying property than anything else.
Interest rates?
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You're not listening. Job for job, someone in the UK might be earning £15k, someone in the US might be on the equivalent of £10k (for example, I've not looked up the figures). Therefore whilst their stuff costs less, they haven't got quite so much cash to buy it with in the first place.
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House prices have nothing to do with the government - they have very little influence over prices. The property market makes costs what they are, if someone is willing to pay £120k then they can. Thats more to do with the disposable income of those buying property than anything else.
Interest rates?
Goverment do not alter the interest rates bank of england do.
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Ok, but you said UK staff wage 15GBP and US Staff wage 15GBP.
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Miniuem wage in the VA is $4.80 in New York its $4.90
They are not even on £3.00 an hour its alot lower than the UK.
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Originally posted by aPk
House prices have nothing to do with the government - they have very little influence over prices. The property market makes costs what they are, if someone is willing to pay £120k then they can. Thats more to do with the disposable income of those buying property than anything else.
Interest rates?
Yes, they are set by the bank of England to promote inflation. The Bank of England is not the Government.
Interest rates have been low for the past 10 years or so, which is exactly why our economy is much stronger than the USAs.
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Originally posted by Tiger
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Originally posted by aPk
House prices have nothing to do with the government - they have very little influence over prices. The property market makes costs what they are, if someone is willing to pay £120k then they can. Thats more to do with the disposable income of those buying property than anything else.
Interest rates?
Goverment do not alter the interest rates bank of england do.
You cant tell me that you think the Bank Of England and the Government are not hand in hand - its been the same for most of history.
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Not to meantion you do not get top ups like working familiy tax credit on top or free health care.
You try paying for health care, food, rent, etc on £3.00 an hour.
The UK is cheaper than most countrys its just the daily mail and people going on holiday with a strong pound make it sound like your getting ripped off.
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You making the key mistake of transfering everything back into £ for the local currency.
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In summary, I just wanted to raise the point that I think we are discriminated against because of the strong pound and it hits us in the pocket far more than any other country in the world, by means of government controlled repression, by import tax, fuel tax, and lets be honest, its all tax - the same tax that buys politicians big cars, luxury boats and big houses and gives us more and more buyouts of states owned companies. The road networks are a state and it doesnt get any better with any amount of road tax increase. Inheritance tax that is just totally unfair (that may be phased out now mind you) Its like not one penny that we earn actually belongs to us anymore.
Once you've paid tax on your earnings, then tax again by VAT, then tax again on petrol to buy the products you want, your wages deductable by tax up to 80%.
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Politicans are paid very little for what they dol.
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You making the key mistake of transfering everything back into £ for the local currency.
Because i'm earning and spending UK pounds. If I was in Australia I would be earning and spending in AUS$ yet still not pay anywhere near as much in tax as I do here.
What i'm saying is that when i'm in the UK im getting taxed up to 80% for the final product whereas other countries i'm not.
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PM gets £188,849
Cabinet Ministers £137,579
Now compair that to a GP or even a CEO of a large company its nothing.
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Politicans are paid very little for what they dol.
Yeah they may not get paid much, but by heck, they dont go short with benefits and perks.
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I agree but no more than what a CEO would at a large company.
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The CEO of a large company doesnt have the interests of a nation of 65 million dependants on his books though either.
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Even before the $ went into nosedive, we were still paying 2 times the price of everything in the US and its the same now.
We pay 1/3 to 1/2 more than every other developed first world country yet maintain the same standard of living but why? It was happening before the current immigrant situation too.
I'm not gonna rant about it all over again but we do get downtrodden.
Ben.
The same standard of living for more people - so called 'equality' and fairness. Taxed to fuck to pay for it as well. Someone had a rant at me this morning about how much cheaper medicines are in Spain.
IMO scrap the NHS and benefits for a start so we can all pay less tax and let the scroungers jog on.
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Even before the $ went into nosedive, we were still paying 2 times the price of everything in the US and its the same now.
We pay 1/3 to 1/2 more than every other developed first world country yet maintain the same standard of living but why? It was happening before the current immigrant situation too.
I'm not gonna rant about it all over again but we do get downtrodden.
Ben.
The same standard of living for more people - so called 'equality' and fairness. Taxed to fuck to pay for it as well. Someone had a rant at me this morning about how much cheaper medicines are in Spain.
IMO scrap the NHS and benefits for a start so we can all pay less tax and let the scroungers jog on.
So what about if your ill and can't work shall we say you do not desevre to live becuase you can't pay for it.
You wife is having a baby should she pay for it.
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Tax is slighty higher in the UK yes I will agree with you but you get more for it.
If your poor in the UK its the best country in the UK. If you earn over the tax band and pay 40% its slighty shitter everone in between has it alot better than the USA
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Another example is Council Tax - it goes up but the services are reduced and poorer than they were year by year. Road tax goes up but I don't see a pro-active approach by the government to improve things, just words and speeches. The state of M-ways and A-roads doesnt get better, they just make them bigger where needed so they can fill them with more vehicles, I dont see an improvement of the standard of maintenance.
TV Licensing (Stealth Tax) - BBC is still shite 
[Edited on 26-01-2008 by Tiger]
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TV Licensing (Stealth Tax) - BBC is still shite
[Edited on 26-01-2008 by Tiger]
You not watched american TV lol I would glady pay for the BBC.
Bar one or two good shows everything is awful.
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TV Licensing (Stealth Tax) - BBC is still shite
[Edited on 26-01-2008 by Tiger]
You not watched american TV lol I would glady pay for the BBC.
Bar one or two good shows everything is awful.
I watched a few of the channels - your right though, not all that great. I'd rather not have BBC at all though and pay for Sky.
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If you don't like it complain to your local council, not on here
FYI, the Government actually restricted the BBC from increasing the license fee by as much as they wanted this year, saving us money 
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If you don't like it complain to your local council, not on here
FYI, the Government actually restricted the BBC from increasing the license fee by as much as they wanted this year, saving us money
Again though - the government and the BBC are hand in hand, they are linked at top levels. They'll get their money through another stealth / shadow tax.
As for complaining about the council tax, I would never dream of writing to them, they would laugh right back in my face, imagine that:
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Dear Council,
I'm not happy about the level of services i'm getting from my over inflated council tax.
Regards.
Ben.
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Dear Ben,
This is an automated response, do not reply.
HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAAHAAHAHHAAH.
Regards,
Council.
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[Edited on 26-01-2008 by Tiger]
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