jacko198
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The thing is, if people stop smoking, the government doesnt get the tax money.
BUT they save money treating people who have lung cancer etc
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Nic Barnes
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Originally posted by Cosmo
I think they have to be seen to atleast be trying to stop smoking...as thats obviously what 9most) voters want.
Me personally....dont smoke, and would rather they didnt waste money trying to stop people from doing so. Aslong as its not forced in my face, as in when Im out, then it doesnt bother me.
yeah fair enough i agree with that, although to a certain extent i still think there should be pubs and clubs that are allowesd to have people smoking inside them, and those that dont smoke can stand outside, as technically theyre contributing less to pay for sick people than those that do smoke? im not saying i want to glorify smoking, i just believe strongly that without smokers, this country would go bankrupt pretty quickly. therefore, we shouldnt be treated like were not wanted when obviously we are needed never mind wanted.
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Cosmo
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yeah fair enough i agree with that, although to a certain extent i still think there should be pubs and clubs that are allowesd to have people smoking inside them, and those that dont smoke can stand outside, as technically theyre contributing less to pay for sick people than those that do smoke? im not saying i want to glorify smoking, i just believe strongly that without smokers, this country would go bankrupt pretty quickly. therefore, we shouldnt be treated like were not wanted when obviously we are needed never mind wanted.
see, this is where I think smokers and non-smokers will always disagee.
IMO the people not smoking arent harming anyone in standing there. The ones who do choose to smoke are/may harm others in doing so. So therefore they should be the ones who have to go elsewhere to smoke.
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Nic Barnes
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Originally posted by jacko198
The thing is, if people stop smoking, the government doesnt get the tax money.
BUT they save money treating people who have lung cancer etc
how many other cases of non-smoking related things get treated in a hospital on a daily basis? where does this money come from if the 10million (rough guess) from smoking isnt coming into the governments pockets? who pays? do everyone else suffer higher tax on other things to cover the cost? youd kick off if all of a sudden bread was 85% more expensive wouldnt you? or people got taxed heavily on water useage?
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Nic Barnes
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Originally posted by Cosmo
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Originally posted by muppetsport
yeah fair enough i agree with that, although to a certain extent i still think there should be pubs and clubs that are allowesd to have people smoking inside them, and those that dont smoke can stand outside, as technically theyre contributing less to pay for sick people than those that do smoke? im not saying i want to glorify smoking, i just believe strongly that without smokers, this country would go bankrupt pretty quickly. therefore, we shouldnt be treated like were not wanted when obviously we are needed never mind wanted.
see, this is where I think smokers and non-smokers will always disagee.
IMO the people not smoking arent harming anyone in standing there. The ones who do choose to smoke are/may harm others in doing so. So therefore they should be the ones who have to go elsewhere to smoke.
say most of your mates smoked, and they all went to a pub where you were allowed to smoke, would you go? us as smokers have to do it, would you if it was reveresed?
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Cosmo
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say most of your mates smoked, and they all went to a pub where you were allowed to smoke, would you go? us as smokers have to do it, would you if it was reveresed?
Thats a stupid arguement. Smokers can go out and not be harmed by not smoking in a certain place. Non-smokers can be harmed by being around smokers.
So therefore, if someone wants to smoke, then do so elsewhere where you can only harm yourself and no one else.
Its pointless areguing this though, as it will just go on and on!
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dan_c4rsa
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TOTALLY off topic but i know smoking does kill lives not from the smoking itself...
in the first world war snipers used to aim at the red dots from soldiers smoking in the trenches, about 3 percent of fatalities a week was caused by this - which would be like.....a thousand men probably.
Yeh im bored, and yes ive voted.
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Nic Barnes
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its just something i believe in cosmo as the amount of people telling me to stop smoking lately is getting higher. i cant smoke at work, or in the works van, i cant smoke in my local pub, i cant smoke in the main shopping bit of my own town. i can smoke in my own car or home. hence lately ive chosen to stay in more as there isnt much i can do as i enjoy a good smoke of a tab when im out. fair enough ive probabkt actually saved more money, but im not out having a laugh with my mates as much
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Nath
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Not everyone will stop smoking, even with a ban. So the money will still come in, just less. I don't know of many people who have quit since the ban. Maybe 2/3 people, that's about it.
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Whittie
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I voted robin is gay.
But so is smoking.
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Adam-D
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on a side note
dammmm robin 
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Tom
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The government would just tax something else if everyone suddenly stopped smoking imo, but there's also the arguement about the no-smoking in the pubs reducing taxable income on beer.
I love a good smoke, the ban hasn't stopped me going the pub yet. I suppose it's only just getting into windy, rainy colder weather (after that glorious summer  ) though and standing outside may get more tedious. I think only then will the real affect on pubs and tax become clear.
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Originally posted by Cosmo
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Originally posted by muppetsport
say most of your mates smoked, and they all went to a pub where you were allowed to smoke, would you go? us as smokers have to do it, would you if it was reveresed?
Thats a stupid arguement. Smokers can go out and not be harmed by not smoking in a certain place. Non-smokers can be harmed by being around smokers.
So therefore, if someone wants to smoke, then do so elsewhere where you can only harm yourself and no one else.
Its pointless areguing this though, as it will just go on and on!
i agree cosmo, if you all went to a pub where you was allowed to smoke, what if the staff their dont smoke? they are getting harmed for no reason (passive smoking etc)
Yes i can see where you smokers are coming from, its unfair to stop us doing something in a certain place, but, by doing it outside it is affecting no-one
I personally hate smoking, so im all for this ban
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Nic Barnes
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its not about hating smoking, its the fact that everyone says they hate it yet dont realise people who smoke are what keeps them alive, keeps their grandparents alive, pays for opperations on little johnnys leg that he broke in 19 places falling out of a tree.
you may hate smokers, but you owe us your life
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Cosmo
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Originally posted by muppetsport
its not about hating smoking, its the fact that everyone says they hate it yet dont realise people who smoke are what keeps them alive, keeps their grandparents alive, pays for opperations on little johnnys leg that he broke in 19 places falling out of a tree.
you may hate smokers, but you owe us your life
fpmsl, thats going a bit far.
Fact of the matter is that these operations that you mention need to be paid for no matter what, so if you smokers werent getting taxed then something else would be.
So at best, you smokers are saving us money. Nothing else.
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Nic Barnes
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so we save your life and save you money, and now have to smoke in the rain. its a fair deal, it really is
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Cosmo
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so we save your life and save you money, and now have to smoke in the rain. its a fair deal, it really is
no...you save us money, thats it
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ShEp
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all the money that smokers pay towards the NHS and we get to;d to get fucked if we have a problem cos we smoke
well we pay your wages with out puffing nurse, so get it fucking seen to
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Nic Barnes
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you would complain though cosmo if you had to pay tax on say water or per square inch of oxygen your house can hold though would you?
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Cosmo
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they are necesities though muppet. Cant live without water or oxygen.
You lot have the choice to smoke or not. You dont have to go outside and smoke, but by smoking inside you make the choise for EVERYONE. People who decided not to smoke for health reasons get fucked over due to you lot wanting to smoke inside.
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Nic Barnes
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yeah i know, but you can see what i was getting at though cant you?
its ok to say smokig is wrong, if everyone quits and say petrol goes up to £3 a litre, would people be happy? no, but its ok for tax on tabs to go up. thank fuck herb is still illegal and tax wont be put on that shit.
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Cosmo
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Yeah, I always could see where your coming from.
But as a non-smoker...I just dont give a shite 
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Nic Barnes
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Yeah, I always could see where your coming from.
But as a non-smoker...I just dont give a shite
you dont know what your missing mate, i mean who wants to live past 65 anyway..........
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Cosmo
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you dont know what your missing mate, i mean who wants to live past 65 anyway..........
TBH after watching my Grandad die a slow death over years of lung problems caused by smoking, including years with only one leg due to the other getting chopped off down to poor circulation is enough reason for me not to
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Nic Barnes
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my good mates college tutor, fella that taught him pretty much all he knows died of it and he quit that day. hasnt smoked since in 2 years. although every day says its the hardest thing he has to do in the course of a day is not light a tab up.
fair enough, i may not take into account the serious illnesses from smoking and i can understand all that and i feel sorry for you cosmo having to go through that as thats not nice at all.
on that note, robin seems to be gay
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