Nath
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Also, 'Chav' is just a cultural phase, much like 'Hippies' and 'Punks'.
[Edited on 10-05-2007 by Nath]
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topshot_2k
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but lack of prsion space/tough sentances mean yobs now run riot in many places, and has got worse over the labour era in government
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Nath
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but lack of prsion space/tough sentances mean yobs now run riot in many places, and has got worse over the labour era in government
We are too lenient for sure.
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Yeah, i'm sure everyone's sat waching King Daimo! eat his lunch 
Yeah right..
Good discussion, don't drop the tone with immature comments.
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Brett
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Good discussion, don't drop the tone with immature comments.
The point is still valid. You've got to be a big headed cunt to think people want to sit and watch you eat your lunch
Cameras are there for our safety. The point of them being "everywhere" is that crimes can happen (believe it or not) anywhere!
When in a car park, do you park you car in front of the cameras or away from them out of sight? I know where mine gets parked.
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Nath
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I can't see an argument against CCTV. I'm well in favour of it.
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topshot_2k
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its an excuse for poorly managed Police force imo
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Brett
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its an excuse for poorly managed Police force imo
So a football manager sat on the sideline watching his team is a bad manager?
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Nath
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its an excuse for poorly managed Police force imo
How is it? It's a deterrant, and if its not a deterrant than its an aid to catch criminals.
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Would a Conservative government really be any better though? Labour have spent the last 10 years working through the mistakes Thatcher and Major made IMO.
Blair/Labour have reduced unemployment, increased the minimum wage and got it down to 16 year olds too, put more money in to education, policing (you can argue, but there's more police on the streets now than 10 years ago), even the NHS is more efficient now (it just gets bad press)
The only thing that they've done wrong is fight in Iraq, but we fought in Afghanistan, that worked out, there's been about 4 wars we've been in in the last 10 years, the Iraq one is the only one which has been a disaster.
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no but i would rather see the money used on better/more of a police force, I agree CCTV has a place bu i think to much is spent on it rather than actual police on the streets.
Also way too many specials out there
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Nath
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no but i would rather see the money used on better/more of a police force, I agree CCTV has a place bu i think to much is spent on it rather than actual police on the streets.
topshot in good debate shocker!
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Topshot, is there no police on the streets in Northampton? In the last 6 months or so, we've had police walking round the village every day here 
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Topshot, is there no police on the streets in Northampton? In the last 6 months or so, we've had police walking round the village every day here
same here (not a village tho)
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Would a Conservative government really be any better though? Labour have spent the last 10 years working through the mistakes Thatcher and Major made IMO.
Blair/Labour have reduced unemployment, increased the minimum wage and got it down to 16 year olds too, put more money in to education, policing (you can argue, but there's more police on the streets now than 10 years ago), even the NHS is more efficient now (it just gets bad press)
The only thing that they've done wrong is fight in Iraq, but we fought in Afghanistan, that worked out, there's been about 4 wars we've been in in the last 10 years, the Iraq one is the only one which has been a disaster.
Wages may have gone up but cost of living has also gone up a lot more than wages.
Education is not improved i work for a leading college and year after year the budget is reduced and decent teachers are pushed out in favour of cheap Newly qualified or foreign teachers.
Gun crime - increased since they banned handguns
Assaults - also up
The other month also showed unemloyment going up in british citizens due to influx of cheap labour
Pensions have collapsed and are worth nothing
Retirement age has gone up
Dental practices forced to charge more
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topshot_2k
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Topshot, is there no police on the streets in Northampton? In the last 6 months or so, we've had police walking round the village every day here
60% are specials and imo not fit for cause as the yobs etc know this and take the piss, i saw a guy steal the copper helmet and run down the gold street 
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Gun crime is hardly the governments fault though, or assaults, that's to do with the lack of respect kids have for other people, anyway, most of the people who are using guns and beating people up would have been raised under the Conservatives 
Unemployment may be going up now, but it's still lower than it was under Major.
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topshot_2k
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no but i would rather see the money used on better/more of a police force, I agree CCTV has a place bu i think to much is spent on it rather than actual police on the streets.
topshot in good debate shocker!
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The point is still valid. You've got to be a big headed cunt to think people want to sit and watch you eat your lunch
Cameras are there for our safety. The point of them being "everywhere" is that crimes can happen (believe it or not) anywhere!
When in a car park, do you park you car in front of the cameras or away from them out of sight? I know where mine gets parked.
You obviously don't work in a company with security cameras nor have seen a control room for some of the CCTV cameras.
THE PEOPLE ARE PAID TO WATCH THEM.......
I don't park my car in carparks, and with the VXR, if it gets broken into, it gets broken into. Not many CCTV cameras actually show the faces clearly anyway and most of the time cannot be used.
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Robin
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60% are specials and imo not fit for cause as the yobs etc know this and take the piss, i saw a guy steal the copper helmet and run down the gold street
Northampton must be the exception then, they're proper police here. We had a plastic policeman a couple of years back, he was as good a deterrant as a real one TBH, he could still arrest you, just had no handcuffs or CS spray.
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topshot_2k
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Gun crime is hardly the governments fault though, or assaults, that's to do with the lack of respect kids have for other people, anyway, most of the people who are using guns and beating people up would have been raised under the Conservatives
Unemployment may be going up now, but it's still lower than it was under Major.
Dont get me wrong conservatives have a lot to prove if they are to make any improvements, but when people say look at thatcher etc well IMO blair is leaving just as many if not more problems.
Also at least Thatcher had the bottle to arm our troops and follow through a war
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Would a Conservative government really be any better though? Labour have spent the last 10 years working through the mistakes Thatcher and Major made IMO.
Blair/Labour have reduced unemployment, increased the minimum wage and got it down to 16 year olds too, put more money in to education, policing (you can argue, but there's more police on the streets now than 10 years ago), even the NHS is more efficient now (it just gets bad press)
The only thing that they've done wrong is fight in Iraq, but we fought in Afghanistan, that worked out, there's been about 4 wars we've been in in the last 10 years, the Iraq one is the only one which has been a disaster.
Nope, thats the problem.
As in south park, its always between a giant douce and a turd.
tbh, im still waiting to see a decent government proposal.
Also, what about the Gulf war? Just as many UK troops died there. Again, all about oil.....
Sorry, but if you worked for the NHS (both my mum and dad do), then you wouldn't think that about the NHS at all. Nor would you if you had had a major injurie. I've spent a lot of time in hospital due to my old mans injuries. I've seen some SICKENING sights.
Thatcher cleared this country of debts, how have labour repaired that? Maggie saved the UK from going deaper into the recession than it already was.
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60% are specials and imo not fit for cause as the yobs etc know this and take the piss, i saw a guy steal the copper helmet and run down the gold street
Northampton must be the exception then, they're proper police here. We had a plastic policeman a couple of years back, he was as good a deterrant as a real one TBH, he could still arrest you, just had no handcuffs or CS spray.
maybe but when im out in town centre is see loads of people i went to school with/wrked with and i asked them if they are police officers and they all seem to be part time specials
And there was also an incident outside McD's/ Bar me where a copper got some bloke, they were fighting and the police officer sprayed CS sray, the wind blew it back in his face and the criminal ran off
I say all officers should carry guns and Tasers
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You obviously don't work in a company with security cameras nor have seen a control room for some of the CCTV cameras.
THE PEOPLE ARE PAID TO WATCH THEM.......
I don't park my car in carparks, and with the VXR, if it gets broken into, it gets broken into. Not many CCTV cameras actually show the faces clearly anyway and most of the time cannot be used.
Yes, obviously 
Fact is, cameras are a deterrent. End of.
I'd be the same if I had a VXR tho tbh
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nor have seen a control room for some of the CCTV cameras.
THE PEOPLE ARE PAID TO WATCH THEM.......
I have.
The people sure as hell are not paid to watch people having their lunch Their job is to scan around and then follow anyone who looks suspicious, or has a short skirt.
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