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I agree with jules, good ideas poorley implemented
[Edited on 21-03-2007 by drax]
*Hitler to self*
''Whoops, i've ordered another Nazi death camp. Damn, I must stop doing that.''
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andy1868
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i'm going to have to disagree with the poorly implemented part, he was a political genious in my eyes and rescued Germany from the depression and put Germany very sqaurely back on the world stage. he just got lazy towards the end and "essentially" let other people run the country for him. probably for the best though! 
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Who are these others? What destroyed Germany was Hitler playing big industry companys against each other for contracts and delaying building essential items to enable the Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe, SS & Kriegsmarine from fighting the war the way they wanted to.
Good example was the Tiger tank with about 3 different companys making various parts for it
Henschel and Sohn of Kassel and Porsche of Stuttgart. Both firms Henschel and Porsche were responsible for only the chassis and automotive designs. Turret design was awarded to another firm Krupp of Essen.
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Hitler has only got one ball, the other is the albert hall his mother the dirty bugger.... chopped it off when he was smallllllllllllllllllll
cant remember the rest 
[Edited on 21-03-2007 by nathy_87]
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andy1868
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wholeheartedly agree ollie, but those problems weren't just in business, thats how he ran the whole party and therefore the country. several departments doing the same jobs competing for his favour etc.
my laziness comment rose from reports of him spending vast amounts of time in the Berghof among other places and staying more remote from Berlin, where he was needed. therefore leaving other people in charge of departments who thought they were doing the "Fuhrer's Will"
however i won't pretend to know much about his demise as i've only studied his rise in detail.
[Edited on 21-03-2007 by andy1868]
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Rachel H
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People feel the loss at Stalingrad and the loss of the entire 6th army (600,000 troops) was the turning point of the war, but as I previously discussed with Ash I feel the war was lost the moment he lost the BoB and failed to neutualise Great Britain.
An invasion of Britain would have yielded the same results as the invasion of the Soviet Union, the moment the invasion fleet left port the RN would have destroyed the Kriegsmarine in the Channel, if they had managed to get troops ashore it would have taken only a matter of weeks before their supplies ran out and they were pushed back into the water, thats with or without the help of the RAF.
The last little Corporal that previously tried to invade Great Britain from the sea also had his pants well and truely pulled down once the RN intervened.
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andy1868
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amen
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at folk that think that Hitler was great. Strip away the propoganda we're fed and the fact he was a superb orator and leader of men, at the end of the day he was a maniac that got into power through the backdoor and caused devestation of human life to such a volume if you were to witness it with your own eyes you would weep like a little girl.
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andy1868
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backdoor? he got the majority vote in The Reichstag then invited into the chancellory by Hindenburg 
no doubt he was a maniac of sorts though
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Rachel H
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Never a leader of men, I don't doubt that, but if anyone dare say the man was a coward they are as foolish. The man served with distinction in WW1 earning himself the Iron Cross for bravery in front of the enemy, he was gased and fought on.
Never a maniac, never ever a maniac.
If your looking for a maniac to blame for the extermination of the inferiors then blame Reinhard Heydrich and Dr. Josef Mengele.
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hmmmmm i'll have to disagree on the maniac statement ollie, theres too much to swing it either way. on the one hand his party initiated the holocaust, but give me one piece of evidence that links him to it personally. alot of people have got in alot of trouble for saying that but its a good point.
edit: ps, that isn't me saying that Hitler never knew about it by any means, or justifying what happened in any way
[Edited on 21-03-2007 by andy1868]
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Rachel H
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I know, I've read the same things stating that possibly but unlikely, Hitler knew nothing about the Holocaust, but the amount of time he spent rambling on about International Jewry then he must have had an inkling of what was going on.
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guess we'll never know for sure, ollie.
at least thats a debatable point, unlike the people that deny the holocaust altogether. i've seen Auschwitz with my own eyes and if its all a reuse then it sure is an elaborate one.
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Rachel H
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6 million deaths? You think its possible? I have no doubt at all that the holocaust happened, but 6 million whilst fighting an international war? Its a point for discussion.
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i like this debate quite informative ...
that is all
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andy1868
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the numbers are definately debatable, nobody can turn round and say exactly x number of people were victims of the holocaust. as you well know, civilian deaths throughout central europe were horrendous and could account for missing people believed to be Jewish EDIT: as well as other countless scenarios. once again we'll never know 
[Edited on 21-03-2007 by andy1868]
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Dr. Josef Mengele.
I was reading about Mengele the other night
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Cant call him a coward etc, Served, injured and awarded a medal in WW1 near Ypres.
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Hitler knew nothing about the Holocaust
Of course he didn't
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Originally posted by andy1868
backdoor? he got the majority vote in The Reichstag then invited into the chancellory by Hindenburg
no doubt he was a maniac of sorts though
What i meant by that was he gained popularity by brainwashing the German nation into believing Jews, Communists and politicians from rival parties had started and ultimately cost them the war. It was a scapegoatism of the highest degree.
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i took what you said the wrong way, but no, i can't really argue with that statement
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I was just reading on Wikipedia about Hitler and I quote
'Hitler presented himself publicly as a man without an intimate domestic life, dedicated to his political "mission". He had a fiancée, Mimi Reiter in the 1920s, and later had a mistress, Eva Braun. He had a close bond with his niece Geli Raubal, which many commentators have claimed was sexual.[25] All three women attempted suicide during their relationship with him, a fact which has led to speculation that Hitler may have had unusual sexual fetishes, such as urolagnia'
Not knowing what urolagnia was I clicked the link that Wikipedia offered
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urolagnia
Then click the link to Omorashi at the end of the first paragraph. WOrk worning on the picture on the final page
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Originally posted by Rachel H
Hitler knew nothing about the Holocaust
Of course he didn't
Look you ignorant fcuk, read everything I wrote rather than picking out bits that suit your agenda.
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If you believe it is possible he knew nothing about the holocaust you are showing a tremendous amount of disrepect to the millions of families he wiped out for his own intentions.
Also if you are trying to have a debate please do not resort to the childish name calling, thanks.
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Rachel H
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Again, read the context in which I made the remark you fool.
I think you need to read the thread again.
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