Daimo B
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NA, really, don't bother, ate them in the astra, if your looking at one only go for the turbo. I think u'd be dissapointed with the NA performance.
After a while you begin to understand why you annoy so many people on this board.
The na is 0-60 in under 6 seconds and is based on one of the best track chassis ever built only with a higher powered engine taking it round that track.
Im sure Jules S would back up the na is no slouch? oh and the turbo is good for 150+
Oh, im sorry for having an opinion.....  Shall i be a sheep for you?
I think the NA is quite underpowered. YEs its light, yes it has 145bhp, but IMO he would get bored of it?
Not allowed to say things then?
The turbo won't do 150mph, or if it does, it'll take a fair while to get to those speeds. Shall I post my in car video VXR chasing a VX220T down a race track straight? The NA models were really no issue on the day at all. Slight exit speed corner advantage, but thats it.... The advantage they would make would dissapear as soon as the astra got full traction.
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Teddy
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I have to say i have not driven an NA model, but i did drive a VXR 220 with the full ohlins damper set up at Vauxhall (press day)
The perfromance was electric. Bearly had time to look down before the shift light was blinking again.
The thing which really stuck me (yes i know it was running ohlins and cut slicks) was the handling. I have never driven anything even close to how that performed round the twisties. I felt totally confident in the handling i was really expecting back end twish and it didnt happen.
Now this is pure chassis performance.
Adam i would say for a spirited driver like yourself - go for it.
Personally speaking i dont think you would be dissapointed with NA performace plus the 2.2 responds well to tuning. I feel on track it may even be better suited and would help to "learn" the car even if you went for a turbo later on 
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Daimo B
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Also very good points Teddy.
NA would be a good place to start as an introduction into RWD cars.
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Originally posted by VXR
Shall I post my in car video VXR chasing a VX220T down a race track straight?
You were out with the newbies weren't you? 
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Daimo B
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Yeah, you can tell by the video....
But down the straights, NA's didn't have a hope in hell. Turbos would pull away out the corners, and wasn't until halfway down the straights I'd re-catch them, by which point it was too late.
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Adam_B
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Shall I post my in car video VXR chasing a VX220T down a race track straight?
yes please.
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Adam_B
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NA would be a good place to start as an introduction into RWD cars.
had a mk1 mr2, i cant see anything being as snappy as one of them im talking 20mph wet roundabout, full oposite lock 
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Daimo B
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgg_lGtL0Kg
Errr, held up for the first half, not till we're out of the chincane i can get on the power.
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Robin
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yeah, you really chased them down there.
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Daimo B
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I had to make a complaint against that person for holding me up. I'd catch him at every braking point and corner, then he'd pull away on the exit of the corners and it would take me the straights to catch him back up.
We spoke after and all was sorted. Newbie track driver not knowing UK track rules.
[Edited on 21-12-2006 by VXR]
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Robin
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How was he holding you up if he was pulling away?
To me, from that video, it didn't seem like you were catching him at every corner, not to the point of being able to get past.
BUT, I wasn't there, so I don't know how you were braking etc, so you may well have been, it just doesn't seem that way, IMO, from that vid.
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Teddy
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgg_lGtL0Kg
Errr, held up for the first half, not till we're out of the chincane i can get on the power.
Look at the line the silver one takes - awesome
They all turbo's Daimo?
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Daimo B
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How was he holding you up if he was pulling away?
To me, from that video, it didn't seem like you were catching him at every corner, not to the point of being able to get past.
BUT, I wasn't there, so I don't know how you were braking etc, so you may well have been, it just doesn't seem that way, IMO, from that vid.
Was done on my 2nd session (open pitlane) before i'd got comfortable with the car. UK track laws mean no over-taking into the corners? As you say, that particular lap, even if it was allowed, I wouldn't have overtaken..
Put it this way, I never got passed all day by any VX220's as no-one caught me up. I did get passed by the official track cars though (300-400bhp Lotus Elises etc... ). I can assure you, i was all over the 220s, especially the NA models. Turbos we're harder though ha ha.. Don't forget im driving £20k of car that isn't mine, i can't sit right up their asses as well, you need to be respectfull on track...
At the start of the day, braking from 125mph at the 300m maker. By the end of the day, i was breaking at the 100m marker into the Esses..... Any more and i'd have seen the grass
On a normal lap, i was on full throttle from the esses round past the bombhole all the way to the chicane at the end. On that video, i think im on throttle only up to the bombhole.
Damn i loved that day...
Teddy, is the silver one in front of me, or the car in front of that? If so, the car in front of me was taking some terrible lines. Not out wide, turning in too soon etc..
[Edited on 21-12-2006 by VXR]
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jr
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daimo you can overtake on corners but only on the left if its clockwise track
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Jambo
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So daimo what your saying is a VXr is good round the track, Jeremy clarkson in biased anti vauxhall shocker 
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Daimo B
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Not on this track day. Straight line only, come off throttle...
Not that some people did.....  Another storey......
Outside overtaking = More dangerous IMO, you have to go the longer route, on the sh1tty part of the surfice, if anything, its more dangerous (IMO)...
Depends how much you want to risk the car on your inside loosing control and taking you out..
Tip....
If the car in fronts slower, set yourself up the corner before to go in wide and out tight to get the better run off the corner...
Unless your in a 1.2 Corsa racing a Skyline, in which case, u'll loose anyway
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jr
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ahhhhh but its not uk track day law
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Daimo B
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So daimo what your saying is a VXr is good round the track, Jeremy clarkson in biased anti vauxhall shocker
Sorry, don't wanna invade your post tooooo much Adam....
VXR handles fcuking great as a STANDARD car, the 1st Vx i've driven that does handle out the crate.
Back end is kind, floppy, quite wavey. But once your hooked up with your line, you can use the waveyness and balance to keep the back end stuck to the tarmac. Once you've overcome the strangeness of the wavey ass, it does inspire confidence.
Standard Everything on the car - 1 heavy days tracking = not ONE problem all day, other than that small issue of running out of fuel quickly
Hence why i love it so much. Not the best car on the road thats for sure, and im still not confident in the wet in it but on a racetrack (hence the whole VXR image..) its great... Wouldn't mind a crack in a tuned/suspension/4 pot VXR setup.. Bet it bloody flies!!! (Stage 2 left me by a good 20 car lengths on the long straight!!!!!! But i'd have him one the confidence of braking.)
Sorry Adam, post invasion... 
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What makes me laugh about the Top Gear review of the VXR was that Clarkson the cock singled out the VXR at the end for its handling and torque steer, if he had done the same with the Megane and Golf I am pretty sure they would have been exactly the same.
Vauxhall should sue Top Gear because its becoming a joke.
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Teddy
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Originally posted by VXR
Teddy, is the silver one in front of me, or the car in front of that? If so, the car in front of me was taking some terrible lines. Not out wide, turning in too soon etc..
[Edited on 21-12-2006 by VXR]
Was joking dude. Its comical
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jr
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the top gear car wasnt a production version anyway, it had prototype suspension set up
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Carl
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Tip....
If the car in fronts slower, set yourself up the corner before to go in wide and out tight to get the better run off the corner...
No shit Sherlock.
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Daimo B
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TG had a VXR with a standard suspension setup.
Did not have VXR Springs or dampers... Vauxhall insisted that they not use the car, but TG also insisted they had to have it for dipsh1t Clarkson....
It does not suffer with torque stear. Yes it does pull a bit, but my 2.0 Corsa is FAR worse at torque stearing than the astra is.
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Daimo B
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No shit Sherlock.
Well arn't you the cocky mofo
Im sorry, i forget EVERYONE knows how to drive on track don't they... Damn, didn't think some people like reading and learning on here.
[Edited on 21-12-2006 by VXR]
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Teddy
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Peace gents
Anyway Adam - your thoughts/plans?
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