ARD1
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well i know with mine on a 4-2-1 decat etc the exhaust was restricting the top end bhp and that would be the next thing to change, but thats a sax, think the exhaust sits slightly diff on a 106 due to the diff shaped bumper
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Paul_J
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quote:
Originally posted by big eck
His raceland is bought and paid for by his missus for his xmas steve lol
He aint sure if hes gonna heatwrap it as hes been told they will crack due to head build up
I prefere standard mani to Raceland!!! FFS I found out the hard way 
Bring on the GMC 4-1.
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Paul_J
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4-2-1 Raceland killed my top end peakyness... ok it gave me some low down torque - but it's shit otherwise.
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ARD1
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yep 4-1 are best for high end bhp results
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Paul_J
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quote:
Originally posted by ARD1
yep 4-1 are best for high end bhp results
Thing is I track my car a lot, so mid range is definately needed - but my cams (pt51's) gave me tonnes of mid range anyway! So I now need 4-1 to shove it back up the top end.
will I need a remap if I get 4-1 mani tho?
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Paul_J
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(considering my car was remapped on a 4-2-1)
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big eck
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Paul - you herd anything about newman highlift cams???
theres a group buy on rallye reg just now and there goin for a brilliant price
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deano87
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Red one is best imho - white alloys look cool!
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Chris Bingham
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Pugsport exhausts are meant to give very healthy gains.
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mav
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Very nice Eck, Actually like the orange one yours looks good too...They grew on me over time.. ...I nearly had one....
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Nismo
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Im going to get a 106 GTi next i think, want a white one though
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Steve
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i wanted a white one but the only one going had "Runs 14.9 1/4s at the pod" in the advert
Great so thats been ragged then 
[Edited on 18-12-2006 by Steve]
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Rob B
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I saw that aswell Steve 
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topshot_2k
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are they 205 GTi wheel? look nice
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Lucky B
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul_J
4-2-1 Raceland killed my top end peakyness... ok it gave me some low down torque - but it's shit otherwise.
On my wife's std cam'd 16v the Raceland made a hell of a difference, with the std manifold it feels really breathless at high rpm, with the Raceland you hit 4-5k rpm and it takes off and pulls hard all the way to the limiter!
Power
Torque
Bang for buck you just cant beat the Raceland manifold... and when you compare it to some more high profile more expensive mild steel manifolds that will hit the ground and rot through after a few winters its just not worth it.
Look at the power curve, does that look like a restrictive manifold?
Even on my cam'd TB'd 16v the Raceland gave more power/torque and a far smother torque curve.
[Edited on 18-12-2006 by Lucky B]
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Steve
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i would say without cams a manifold wont make much difference
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Lucky B
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve
i would say without cams a manifold wont make much difference
The graph above contradicts what your saying Steve. 
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Steve
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i didnt get gains like that when i fitted my manifold to my old one
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Steve
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is that a superchips graph? looks like it
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Nismo
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve
i wanted a white one but the only one going had "Runs 14.9 1/4s at the pod" in the advert
Great so thats been ragged then
[Edited on 18-12-2006 by Steve]
Id live with that if it was white 
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Lucky B
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Other mods are Green shrouded air filter and a Magnex exhaust inc silenced decat pipe.
No mapping has been done at all, her car also returns 40+ mpg.
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Steve
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quote:
Originally posted by Nismo
quote:
Originally posted by Steve
i wanted a white one but the only one going had "Runs 14.9 1/4s at the pod" in the advert
Great so thats been ragged then
[Edited on 18-12-2006 by Steve]
Id live with that if it was white
not to mention it had cams, organic clutch, and rebuilt gearbox, it was a recipe for disaster
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Lucky B
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve
is that a superchips graph? looks like it
Its a Dastek graph from Wallace Performance in Aberdeen. 
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Paul_J
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Well all I know is I've had experiences of the mani myself, completely losing my peakyness to my engine and I've spoken to many others who have also experienced the same with the raceland.
It's good for low down torque / mid range, but not bril for top end imo.
Makes the car feel very flat and boring to drive.
Obviously all depends how the cams are set up.
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Lucky B
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul_J
Well all I know is I've had experiences of the mani myself, completely losing my peakyness to my engine and I've spoken to many others who have also experienced the same with the raceland.
It's good for low down torque / mid range, but not bril for top end imo.
Makes the car feel very flat and boring to drive.
Obviously all depends how the cams are set up.
As the wife's car is using std cams at std timing figures i dont think thats an issue.
I can only say that you and "the others" must ba a strange bunch. 
The std downpipe is very restrictive as i'm sure you know, any tubular manifold fitted in place on the std manifold & downpipe will increase power.
I honestly couldn't believe the difference fitting the manifold made to her car once over 4k rpm.
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