Dave A
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no but I have driven plenty 
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Cupra Steve
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until you have actually owned one. 
i'll remind you of wot you've just said. 
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K3 VMU
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Dont make me do it .........
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Dave A
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wtf are you on about???
im not reccomending he gets either, its his decision.
I commented on the fact that you said he should get a let over a tb'd 1.6 as it would get boring. But that you cant really comment on the decision as you dont have experience with both cars
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K3 VMU
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i m gonna have to get it out for u two-
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wilson_sri
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LET it man...you will never regret it, possibly the most fun you can ever have in a car
although 1.6 turbo is differant, and differant is good.
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Warren G
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'why don't just put a 2.0 in'
only joking, keep it as a 1.6, supercharge it (still use the manztel and unichip, then they wouldn't be wasted)
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pomada
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave A
and no, dont turbo it. by the time you get a turbo, management, remapping and make a manifold and piping etc... you will need low comp pistons and by that time you will have spent more than a decent tb setup and probably have less usable power and it WILL be unreliable.
I don't agree with you. 200hp from a 1.6 16v Corsa engine is not much difficult and can be done without forged/less compression pistons. Sure a set of forged pistons/rods would be really nice, but the original ones can handle 200hp.
And is not difficult. Also I have to say it's not the cheaper thing to do, requires lot's of workmanship on the piping and the intercooler fixations and so on. But no way it's not reliable. We have turbo Corsas with more than 100k and still as original.
And, a initially cheaper solution is a nitrous kit. You have a original car all the time and can have the power only when you go to the "fight". But I have to say is more adequate to drag races...but is not unsual track day cars running with nitrous on straightways and corner exit...but only a few laps.
You can have a super safe 80hp shot with timing retarder on the original pistons/rods.
Cheers mate!
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Dave A
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but my point about turboing it was that in the long run its a lot more expensive and unreliable than a throttle body conversion.
yes it can be done and yes I would give it a go if a customer asked me to build a turbo 1.6 but why when it would cost more and probably not give as much usable power as the tb conversion?
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Cupra Steve
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ok dave, i have no exp of either, but all i'm trying to say is IF he got bored of the tb'd 1.6 what does he do???? if he gets bored of the standard LET he could do loads of things. i'm not saying do this or don't do that, just putting my opinion across. plus tb's must become tiresome for everyday driving??
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Robin
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tiresome in everyday driving?
you don't drive with WOT all the time 
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jr
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true, but i cant see you getting bored of a tb 1.6 with 200bhp, if you drive it right and its setup right it will be faster than a LET track wise,
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Cupra Steve
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quote:
Originally posted by Robin
tiresome in everyday driving?
you don't drive with WOT all the time
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Dave A
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quote:
Originally posted by Cupra Steve
ok dave, i have no exp of either, but all i'm trying to say is IF he got bored of the tb'd 1.6 what does he do???? if he gets bored of the standard LET he could do loads of things. i'm not saying do this or don't do that, just putting my opinion across. plus tb's must become tiresome for everyday driving??
not tiresome at all, can be driven daily with better than standard mpg and no more unusable as a standard 1.6
ok theres always the option of going LET but anything over 230bhp at the front wheels is a waste on the road anyway. also round a track a 200bhp 1.6 with decent brakes and suspension would leave a LET corsa without too much trouble. its only on the 1/4 mile and motorway where the LET would have the advantage.
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Robin
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Wide Open Throttle Steve.
TB'd engines are AS quiet, if not quiter than a normal engine on part throttle, from experience.
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jr
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rob should know, him and broster went to wales in his iirc
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Dave A
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stick a LET in it if you like uncontrolled wheelspins
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Robin
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quote:
Originally posted by jr
rob should know, him and broster went to wales in his iirc
Indeed we did, and it was quieter than my 1.6 on the motorway.
I also borrowed the car for a day, and only on the open road was it noisy, with the throttle buried into the floor, in the villages, it was very very good, and the throttle response was instant IF I needed instant torque. 
Better than an LET? dunno, but it was better than some people seem to assume they would be.
[Edited on 12-12-2006 by Robin]
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Cupra Steve
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Originally posted by Dave A
stick a LET in it if you like uncontrolled wheelspins
i do smoke!
no i know exactly wot you guys are saying, every tb car i've been in have been ridiculously loud, but fair enough.
200bhp n/a or tubo'd is gonna wheel spin!!
but i just prefer turbo over tb's.
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Robin
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Steve, the chances are, you've been in a TB'd car, with someone giving it death to show you what it's like, not taking it up the motorway, or through a town quietly.
a 200bhp n/a 1.6 will have better throttle control than a 200bhp LET, IMO...
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Cupra Steve
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Originally posted by Robin
Steve, the chances are, you've been in a TB'd car, with someone giving it death to show you what it's like, not taking it up the motorway, or through a town quietly.
a 200bhp n/a 1.6 will have better throttle control than a 200bhp LET, IMO...
well it was in a stripped 205 1.9 gti on tb's, i suppose he was giving it a lot and it was silly loud.
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L30 SCT
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i have just been offered a good condition c20let engine with gearbox still in the car so i might go down that road. just depends on price.
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Nic Barnes
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave A
ok theres always the option of going LET but anything over 230bhp at the front wheels is a waste on the road anyway.
utter garbage
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WATSON
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quote:
Originally posted by muppetsport
quote:
Originally posted by Dave A
ok theres always the option of going LET but anything over 230bhp at the front wheels is a waste on the road anyway.
utter garbage
I hate when people say that its a waste when clearly NOT true
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Nic Barnes
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i dont see why its a waste. i get more grip than cars with half that power.
[Edited on 12-12-2006 by muppetsport]
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