corsa_chelle
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i saw that! it made me soooo mad! one even stuck his tongue out 
[Edited on 09-11-2006 by corsa_chelle]
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Dr Pepper
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God there are some fuking idiots on this site.
Your all raging about a racially motivated murder and then all you can say is...
"shoot the Bastards"
"they shouldnt be here anyway"
"deport them and hope the boat sinks"
"A life for a life"
Hate breads hate, the death penalty has never before or never will prevent a crime like this. These people are not evil- they are severly mentally retarded. You can punish them all you like but the only focus should be on making sure this type of crime never happens again. One way to do that is to reduce the amount of racial tension in this country, and judging by the amount of blatent racists on this site at times we are a long way a way from doing that.
And as for people saying the sentences are too short, they have got "minimum" sentences. They will be assesed by professionals much better qualified than us to decide when they are fit for release. There is every chance they will never be released.
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Tom
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Please read my post.
And I disagree with what you are implying, yes racial hate bread, but please don't say our prison/probation system is upto the job because it isn't, watch a certain programme about paedo's lately? I would suggest the same method of treatment for a white person who did this to a black person etc, the fact of the matter is that people think (and to an extent can) that they can get away with stuf in this country when they shouldn't be allowed to, i'm all for human rights (as I view them  ) but I don't see how tourturing someone and setting them on fire then not getting the same treatment is humane?
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Dean_W
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Knowing our probation system, they would put racially motivated killers next door to the race of people they killed. As for experts. Don't make me laugh.
It's ridiculous.
Also, i do believe they should be dead. Bring back the death sentance. Anyone who is fucked up enough to kill someone shouldn't be allowed to live. It would save a shedload of taxes and get rid of the scumbags.
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Dr Pepper
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quote:
Originally posted by Tom
Please read my post.
And I disagree with what you are implying, yes racial hate bread, but please don't say our prison/probation system is upto the job because it isn't, watch a certain programme about paedo's lately? I would suggest the same method of treatment for a white person who did this to a black person etc, the fact of the matter is that people think (and to an extent can) that they can get away with stuf in this country when they shouldn't be allowed to, i'm all for human rights (as I view them ) but I don't see how tourturing someone and setting them on fire then not getting the same treatment is humane?
Can you put this into English please- It doesnt make much sense as it is.
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Dr Pepper
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quote:
Originally posted by Dean_W
Knowing our probation system, they would put racially motivated killers next door to the race of people they killed. As for experts. Don't make me laugh.
It's ridiculous.
Also, i do believe they should be dead. Bring back the death sentance. Anyone who is fucked up enough to kill someone shouldn't be allowed to live. It would save a shedload of taxes and get rid of the scumbags.
So you dont believe in our probation or criminal justice system....and yet you have enough faith in it to let it condemn someone to death.
That makes lots of sense doesnt it.
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Dean_W
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quote:
Originally posted by Dr Pepper
They will be assesed by professionals much better qualified than us to decide when they are fit for release. There is every chance they will never be released.
Those two statements are balls.
Professionals by name, not by practice. Look at the amount of fuck ups that happen.
Not released. They will probably get reduced sentances, get released and then go about their lives. That's not right IMO.
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abdus
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@Dr Pepper
definitely agree with your point:
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Hate breads hate, the death penalty has never before or never will prevent a crime like this.............
........ One way to do that is to reduce the amount of racial tension in this country, and judging by the amount of blatent racists on this site at times we are a long way a way from doing that.
There have been a lot of racial/racist posts here from the same members again and again.
On the other hand, these 3 murderers here should not be given the chance to be assessed again. They already have been there. They are recidivists.
No need for a minimum for them.
[Edited on 09-11-2006 by abdus]
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Tom
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Dr Pepper
Please read my post on the last page. I personally never mentioned my hatred and desire to see them pay for what they've done being based on their race or religious beliefs etc.
I disagree with what you are implying (basically your peace, love shit being the answer to everything), yes racial hate breads, but please don't say our prison/probation system is upto the job ( They will be assesed by professionals much better qualified than us to decide when they are fit for release )
because it isn't. Did you watch a certain programme about paedophiles's lately?
I would suggest the same method of treatment for a white person who did this to a black person or vice versa etc, the fact of the matter is that people think that they can get away with serious crimes in this country because of the lack of capital punishment (when they shouldn't feel they can), i'm all for human rights but I don't see how tourturing someone and setting them on fire (then not receiving the same treatment in return) is humane?
Also please GTF with you superiority complex, it was a rushed reply.
[Edited on 09-11-2006 by Tom]
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Dr Pepper
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quote:
Originally posted by Dean_W
quote:
Originally posted by Dr Pepper
They will be assesed by professionals much better qualified than us to decide when they are fit for release. There is every chance they will never be released.
Those two statements are balls.
Professionals by name, not by practice. Look at the amount of fuck ups that happen.
Not released. They will probably get reduced sentances, get released and then go about their lives. That's not right IMO.
You dont actually know anything do you... your just repeating what you have heard on itv news or in the sun. If your worried about fuk ups in the criminal justice system then I would of thought you would have been strongly against the death penalty-- How can you guarantee that not one inocent person will be killed.
I also dont understand anyone who actually wants someone dead -- what ever they have done. Prison for 40 years is a bigger punishment than death anyway imo.
[Edited on 09-11-2006 by Dr Pepper]
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Dean_W
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quote:
Originally posted by Dr Pepper
So you dont believe in our probation or criminal justice system....and yet you have enough faith in it to let it condemn someone to death.
That makes lots of sense doesnt it.
Sense, not really. In an ideal world it would work, but not in this country.
The justice system in this country is crap. There needs to be tougher stances on criminals like this.
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abdus
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quote:
Originally posted by Dean_W
quote:
Originally posted by Dr Pepper
So you dont believe in our probation or criminal justice system....and yet you have enough faith in it to let it condemn someone to death.
That makes lots of sense doesnt it.
Sense, not really. In an ideal world it would work, but not in this country.
The justice system in this country is crap. There needs to be tougher stances on criminals like this.
it seems you agree with Islamic laws then 
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Tom
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quote:
Originally posted by Dr Pepper
I also dont understand anyone who actually wants someone dead -- what ever they have done. Prison for 40 years is a bigger punishment than death anyway imo.
But the fact alot of them are likely to get re-released as in this exact case and re-offend removes any doubt.
I agree our system is not upto it, I'm talking 'ideal world' also but we definately need a tougher stance, and not just in reference to this particular case but there's too many instances of re-offending of serious crimes.
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Dr Pepper
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quote:
Originally posted by Dean_W
quote:
Originally posted by Dr Pepper
So you dont believe in our probation or criminal justice system....and yet you have enough faith in it to let it condemn someone to death.
That makes lots of sense doesnt it.
Sense, not really. In an ideal world it would work, but not in this country.
The justice system in this country is crap. There needs to be tougher stances on criminals like this.
WHY? Do you think it will prevent one crime of this nature... it wont.
And as for child offenders-- Do you honestly think that a peodophile would think "I better not abuse this child or I might get the death penalty."
This is not the case- These people are so mentally sick they are not thinking about the reprecussions of their action. The only way you can prevent more of these sort of crimes is to identify potential offenders before they offend and treat the condition.
Otherwise you will be killing/jailing more and more people and the problem will not be getting any better.
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AuroraSport
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How exactly do you 'identify' potential murderers/rapists/paedophiles?
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Dean_W
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quote:
Originally posted by Dr Pepper
WHY? Do you think it will prevent one crime of this nature... it wont.
And as for child offenders-- Do you honestly think that a peodophile would think "I better not abuse this child or I might get the death penalty."
This is not the case- These people are so mentally sick they are not thinking about the reprecussions of their action. The only way you can prevent more of these sort of crimes is to identify potential offenders before they offend and treat the condition.
Otherwise you will be killing/jailing more and more people and the problem will not be getting any better.
I never mentioned pheadophiles.
How would you solve the problem then? Asses every resident of the UK to see if their a risk? This country doesn't have those resources. It'll never happen.
As for treating the condition! How do you plan to do that antibiotics? You can't treat conditions like that.
I wouldn't be bothered if killers were getting killed TBH. Saves jail space.
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Tom
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ID cards 
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AuroraSport
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quote:
Originally posted by Tom
ID cards
Yeh with 'watch this bloke he looks shifty, might need some treatment later on' 
[Edited on 09-11-2006 by AuroraSport]
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SXi_Tim
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How did i guess this thread would turn into conflict
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Dean_W
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I never usually argue on here.
Bad day 
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AuroraSport
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Nor me, things like this bring out the worst in me 
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Dean_W
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Originally posted by Dr Pepper
Do you have any idea how much this country has just spent on a needless war in afghanastan, and Irak- dont tell me we havnt got the resources.
What we havent got is the poloticians to admit that jail doesnt work.
Jail has never been a solution to crime, at any point of history in any country in the world. All it does is perpetuate the problem.
I am perfectly aware of your first point. And i agree, it is a needless waste of money and lives.
2 and 3. I can't argue until i know what you would do?
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Tom
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Dr pepper know's best ...obviously  (never thought i'd be writing that )
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Dr Pepper
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Originally posted by Tom
Dr pepper know's best ...obviously (never thought i'd be writing that )
At least someone is talking sense in here
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Dean_W
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Come on then pepper. Give us your amazing criminal therapy/ no jail idea.
I'm intreagued.
[Edited on 09-11-2006 by Dean_W]
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