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Yes, there are conspiracies (not conspiracy theories) and 9/11 is one of them.
Why did all 3 buildings that collapsed implode? Why were there already plans of the new buildings for the New WTC?
Why can't a missile be fired at the pentagon? Why did it strike only the area where there was the renovation?
now, for the debate, some people will just say no without having given a little thought about it or read anything.
The Great America (:lol have not been able to capture Ben Laden, least locate him in SIX years 
only ONE plane was allowed to fly that day, not even the US president, but the Ladens with 23 members of its family flying for some secret place. Why?
implode
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Robin
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not implode implode, but they collapsed as if in a controlled manor.
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Steve
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im dubious as t why all three buildings just collapsed like that, thats the only bit that rings bells in my head
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Cybermonkey
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what do people expect them to do? such a large building will fall vertically, gravity is pulling those sons of bitches down at a crazy rate. the simple honeycomb design of the building floors meant it would collapse symetrically quite easily.
you see, all these gay boy americans making up this conspiracy shit has been disproved SOOOO MANY TIMES by people with intelligence, its not even funny
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why would they collapse though? what caused them to collapse?
fire? no building in history has collapsed due to fire
also how come ALL THREE!!
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Robin
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but would a building of its height really collapse when struck in one corner by a soft plane?
it doesnt matter if its true or not, its still interesting to think about it from different angles.
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Cybermonkey
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you two
50 tonnes of kerosene fuel. 50 TONNES!!! kerosene burns at an extreme temperature, the building cores melted, the cores were the structural element of the building and provided support for all the floors. i only remember 2 buildings collapsing? the Pentagon was only 5 stories, and just suffered fairly substantial cosmetic damage. didnt even penetrate to the inner rings of the building.
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Robin
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WTC 1,2 and 7 collapsed.
Kerosene doesn't burn with enough heat to melt the grade of metal used in the girders. fact.
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J da Silva
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Big buildings of such structural design, such as the towers that fell rely on everything being precisely accurate, the damage the planes would have done would have been more than enough to cause what happened.
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Cybermonkey
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you mean the metal girders that were almost 40 years old? Robin, the massive rubble pile left over still had a superhot core of concrete and metal, 90 days after the collapse. FACT.
The collision with the towers severed the outer support columns that were essential to the buildings stability
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yes molten metal which only melts at something stupid like 2200 degrees +
which pointed towards the types of chemicals used in dynamite
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what about the explosions 30 floors + below the actual impact that were seen just before they started to collapse?
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Robin
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tbh, it doesnt even matter, we'll never know what's true or not.
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City
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Originally posted by Robin
tbh, it doesnt even matter, we'll never know what's true or not.
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Cybermonkey
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Originally posted by Steve
what about the explosions 30 floors + below the actual impact that were seen just before they started to collapse?
you been watching those Google Video clips again Steve 
this guy edited it
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City
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Originally posted by Cybermonkey
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Originally posted by Steve
what about the explosions 30 floors + below the actual impact that were seen just before they started to collapse?
you been watching those Google Video clips again Steve
eye witnesses at the saw it actually happen?
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Originally posted by City
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Originally posted by Cybermonkey
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Originally posted by Steve
what about the explosions 30 floors + below the actual impact that were seen just before they started to collapse?
you been watching those Google Video clips again Steve
eye witnesses at the saw it actually happen?
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=2032865563019209801&q=9%2F11
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-4574366633014832928&q=9%2F11
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City
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quote:
Originally posted by mk4_astra
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Originally posted by City
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Originally posted by Cybermonkey
quote:
Originally posted by Steve
what about the explosions 30 floors + below the actual impact that were seen just before they started to collapse?
you been watching those Google Video clips again Steve
eye witnesses at the saw it actually happen?
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=2032865563019209801&q=9%2F11
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-4574366633014832928&q=9%2F11
cybermonkey knows it all, dont you know that 
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Cybermonkey
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so your believing a bunch of NYC Firefighters?
doesnt look like it to me...
The building's design was standard in the 1960s, when construction began on what was then the world's tallest building. At the heart of the structure was a vertical steel and concrete core, housing lift shafts and stairwells.
Steel beams radiate outwards and connect with steel uprights, forming the building's outer wall.
All the steel was covered in concrete to guarantee firefighters a minimum period of one or two hours in which they could operate - although aviation fuel would have driven the fire to higher-than-normal temperatures. The floors were also concrete.
But as fires raged in the towers, driven by aviation fuel, the steel cores in each building would have eventually reached 800C - hot enough to start buckling and collapsing.
The protective concrete cladding on the cores would have been no permanent defence in these extraordinary circumstances - keeping the intense heat at bay for only a limited timespan.
Nothing is designed or will be designed to withstand that fire
World Trade Center construction manager
"It was the fire that killed the buildings. There's nothing on earth that could survive those temperatures with that amount of fuel burning," said structural engineer Chris Wise.
"The columns would have melted, the floors would have melted and eventually they would have collapsed one on top of each other."
The buildings' construction manager, Hyman Brown, agreed that nothing could have saved them from the inferno.
"The buildings would have stood had a plane or a force caused by a plane smashed into it," he said.
I would have given the order to get out - you would have thought someone with technical expertise would have been advising them
Professor John Knapton, Newcastle University
"But steel melts, and 24,000 gallons (91,000 litres) of aviation fluid melted the steel. Nothing is designed or will be designed to withstand that fire."
Once the steel frame on one floor had melted, it collapsed downwards, inflicting massive forces on the already-weakened floor below.
Science of collapse
From then on, the collapse became inevitable, as each new falling floor added to the downward forces.
Further down the building, even steel at normal temperatures gave way under the enormous weight - an estimated 100,000 tonnes from the upper floors alone.
"It was as if the top of the building was acting like a huge pile-driver, crashing down on to the floors underneath," said Chris Wise.
Early in the unfolding horror, some office workers were told to stay where they were - dreadful advice, said Professor Knapton.
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City
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Originally posted by Cybermonkey
so your believing a bunch of NYC Firefighters?
they were there on the scene, why would they lie?
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J da Silva
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I suppose in a way you could say the yanks destroyed it themselves, they caused the events in the first place.
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Cybermonkey
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Originally posted by Cybermonkey
so your believing a bunch of NYC Firefighters?
they were there on the scene, why would they lie?
they are commenting on the building collapse, saying it was like explosions. fact of the matter is, it was 100,000 tonnes of steel and concrete making its way south, one floor at a time.
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Robin
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the way the top of the building is falling in that pic, there is no way it would have corrected its fall, leveled out, and still fallen as fast as a dynamited building.
buildings do not fall that quick when they collapse naturally (ie, without planted explosives) the take longer to fall.
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Robin
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anyway, everyone seems to be missing the point that anything you can copy and paste, might not be true...
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City
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i blame the Gurkhas
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