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If you lost someone you would rememer them all the time why set out a specific 2 minutes?
the 2 mins silence is for ALL the nation to observe, they might have fogotten unlike the relatives of the victims 
And yes, we should remember them all the time
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its sad that people died but what makes the deaths of these people warrant a 2 minutes silence when people are dying left and right every minute and dont get any 'special treatment'....its only because it was in the public eye that people feel obliged IMO...i.e. 9/11, Dunblane, Holly and Jessica etc etc
Those killed from diseases and natural causes is slightly different when compared to people blown up on their way to work in the morning by terrorists. 
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well im white and i didnt know about it TBH i had forgot all about 7/7
i dont see the point remembering things in the past like this, yes it was wrong yes it was horrible for those involved and those who lost but move on.
I don't know what I'd do if I lose a member of my family, I'd be beside myself and full of emotion. I'd want to remember and pay tribute to them as well.
pretty sure you would think differently had one of your friends/relatives been killed
No i dont think i would, if i had been killed i also wouldnt want the country to stop and remember i would want people to move on. Im not saying forget im saying just move on.
It all just makes racism worse tbh its like lets remember when the coloureds killed the white people, its anever ending cycle.
Anyway thats my opinion, not going to ruin this thread anymore
 just about sums your views up I guess.
Did it ever occur to you that by remembering those that were killed relatives and friends can start to come to terms with their loss?
I don't know what I'd do if I lose a member of my family, I'd be beside myself and full of emotion. I'd want to remember and pay tribute to them as well.
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And it's two minutes, the country doesn't exactly "stop" does it. Nothing wrong with a little respect.
You would do it everyday not just for 2 mins once a year
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You would do it everyday not just for 2 mins once a year
why if it happened on a set date?
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damn right I would if it was a member of my own family. Like I said I'd be devastated and it's not even worth thinking about.
What's wrong with remembering and paying a little respect to those that lost their lives for no reason at all? Answer me that.
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its sad that people died but what makes the deaths of these people warrant a 2 minutes silence when people are dying left and right every minute and dont get any 'special treatment'....its only because it was in the public eye that people feel obliged IMO...i.e. 9/11, Dunblane, Holly and Jessica etc etc
Those killed from diseases and natural causes is slightly different when compared to people blown up on their way to work in the morning by terrorists.
is being run over, shot, kidnapped and killed natural causes?
Dunblane doesnt even get a silence, im pretty sure the town observes one but not nation wide we dont. A boy from round here also got kidnapped and killed and left in the woods. He wont get a silence.
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damn right I would if it was a member of my own family. Like I said I'd be devastated and it's not even worth thinking about.
What's wrong with remembering and paying a little respect to those that lost their lives for no reason at all? Answer me that.
There is nothing wrong im just saying why highlight certain cases and give them national 2 min silences that are on the news radio etc whatmakes there case so special.
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well im white and i didnt know about it TBH i had forgot all about 7/7
i dont see the point remembering things in the past like this, yes it was wrong yes it was horrible for those involved and those who lost but move on.
Being white has nothign to do with remembering it?
You're not remembering the bombings you're remembering the lifes taken because of them, no one wants to remember the actions that caused the deaths but they do want to show respect to those who died as result of them.
Move on? We have moved on a large amount if you think about it. I'd say a 2 minute silence on one day of the year is not "not getting over it or not moving on" but an admirable way of showing respect.
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how many people die every hour from being in the wrong place at the wrong time, innocent people. Do we remember them too?
I just think its shocking that things like this get more coverage and longer silences than wars etc.
Those deaths are remembered but by the individuals families .etc on a smaller scale - they are in no way less important but the 7/7 had consequences on a much wider scale and affected so many people that is why it's a national silence - because it affected the nation.
WWII gets a two minute silence URL i'm not sure on various other anniversaries .etc but i know the Tsunami got 3 minutes - not really important though is it? It's the reason behind the silence and just taking part! Whether its a minute or two it still shows respect to the dead and those who lost their lifes.
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No i dont think i would, if i had been killed i also wouldnt want the country to stop and remember i would want people to move on. Im not saying forget im saying just move on.
It all just makes racism worse tbh its like lets remember when the coloureds killed the white people, its anever ending cycle.
Anyway thats my opinion, not going to ruin this thread anymore
Coloureds killed the white people? I don't think a 2 minute silence eggs anyone on tbh the constant media attention on the matter and so on may but a 2 minute silence no.
Also, maybe you don't want to be remember but thats just you... and i've convered the move on you mentioned.
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I'm pretty certain a silence is only held on the 1st anniversary. Otherwise there would be silences every day
If 2 mins if too much of your time then that's up to you. I'm not saying you have to keep quiet
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damn right I would if it was a member of my own family. Like I said I'd be devastated and it's not even worth thinking about.
What's wrong with remembering and paying a little respect to those that lost their lives for no reason at all? Answer me that.
There is nothing wrong im just saying why highlight certain cases and give them national 2 min silences that are on the news radio etc whatmakes there case so special.
also lets the bastards that did it/involved in it know the people killed arnt fogotten
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someone just came into the office im working in atm during the 2min silence and asked a question, when he didnt get one he asked why the silence...so the person explained....the ironic thing is the race of set person!
My comment about me being white was in responce to this
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Originally posted by K17STY
is being run over, shot, kidnapped and killed natural causes?
Dunblane doesnt even get a silence, im pretty sure the town observes one but not nation wide we dont. A boy from round here also got kidnapped and killed and left in the woods. He wont get a silence.
Please look something up before you post it;
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/mass/dunblane_massacre/5.html
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On March 18, 1996, Great Britain stood still to observe one minute of silence in commemoration for those that died in the Dunblane massacre. The silence marked the beginning of a weeklong procession of funerals. According to Smith, many of the deceased were interned in a "specially dedicated area in Dunblane cemetery."
And as for the boy in the woods, see my previous post.
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is being run over, shot, kidnapped and killed natural causes?
Dunblane doesnt even get a silence, im pretty sure the town observes one but not nation wide we dont. A boy from round here also got kidnapped and killed and left in the woods. He wont get a silence.
Please look something up before you post it;
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/mass/dunblane_massacre/5.html
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On March 18, 1996, Great Britain stood still to observe one minute of silence in commemoration for those that died in the Dunblane massacre. The silence marked the beginning of a weeklong procession of funerals. According to Smith, many of the deceased were interned in a "specially dedicated area in Dunblane cemetery."
And as for the boy in the woods, see my previous post.
you trying to tell me you do a min silence for dunblane every year? Thatquote was on march 18th 1996. this is 2006.
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like I said before, incidents like these have a silence on their first anniversary.
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i was talking about yearly,
there will be a silence next year for this no doubt
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you trying to tell me you do a min silence for dunblane every year? Thatquote was on march 18th 1996. this is 2006.
No. You said Dunblane doesn't even get a silence. It did get a silence and it was honoured on the 1st Anniversary of the event like most silences.
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i was talking about yearly,
there will be a silence next year for this no doubt
If there is, whats the problem with that?
[Edited on 07-07-2006 by dna23]
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can almost guarantee you would not be posting the shoot you have been if you had lost someone in the bombings. Can you imagine if someone had told you to just "move on"? Don't think you'd like it much to be honest.
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i was talking about yearly,
there will be a silence next year for this no doubt
no there won't.
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I can assure you i would, its my opinion and im allowed to have it.
You dont know me you dont know how i would deal with death or have delt with death.
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I can assure you i would, its my opinion and im allowed to have it.
You dont know me you dont know how i would deal with death or have delt with death.
Course you're allowed your opinion, not disputing that before you get all upset.
And no I don't know how you deal with things, all I know is the majority of people would deem it appropriate to remember the deceased in such a way.
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I can assure you i would, its my opinion and im allowed to have it.
You dont know me you dont know how i would deal with death or have delt with death.
Don't jump behind the IMO bandwagon... we appreciate it's your opinion but reviewing the facts myself and obviously others on here can't understand what your point is?
Also, you seem to be making this very personal... the silence is there for the nation. If you choose not to do it then thats fine as you probably have your reasons but don't just right it off as whats the point? move on? Thats not fair in anyway on the people involved with it or people who know about it.
It's not dealing with death by having a silence either - it's showing respect to those who died by having a silence you deal with it after the event in various other ways. The silence doesnt have a sole purpose of being there for people to deal with it... it has many purposes
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and mentioning those who are killed like the boy in the woods or Jessica and Holly, that's like comparing apples and oranges.
The world is full of muggers, rapists and murderers. It's a fact of life. This doesn't make these tragedies any less meaningfull, but like dna said above it has a much smaller impact on the population.
Terrorist incidents are something that affects everyone, globally not just nationally. Hence the minute's silence.
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Your obv not appreciating my opinion, i have that opinion and i have stated the resons behind it and my thoughts on it if you have a different one thats fuzzy muff.
Im not making it personal, im sure there are other people who agree.
I just dont see how we can justify having silences for some things and not for others.
A person should be remembered for who they were not how they died on a specific date at a certain time for a few mins. And thats all your doing if you didnt know them or had a connection with them its purely an interpersonal politeness thing because the person beside you is doing it or it was mentioned on the radio to remember and do the silence. your not remembering them your thoughts are how they died and didnt deserve it.
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i didnt know either
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I appreciate your opinion just fine thanks. I just don't agree with it.
I think you're not seeing it from other's point of view and I believe your opinion is very narrow minded.
I for one have remembered the incidents since day 1. Every time I see a red bus in fact (which is quite often when you work in London). So to say that I don't remember them and I'm only reminded when someone tells me is incorrect.
I get where you're coming from where some people may not remember the exact day of the anniversary or the names of people killed etc. but it all comes down to respect and the least you can do is stop for 2 mins and thank your lucky stars you weren't involved If you don't wish to show yours then fine.
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