Russ
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the far east of scotland?
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AK
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its not structural 
Ah so your in the far east?
if you live here i think your house was built by chinese people from chopsticks
you're losing me. That support was just a cross beam to support the plasterboard. I cut the centre out, and re-fitte the left and right of that one. I then added two cross beams (top and bottom) to the wall.... so if anything, its now stronger! But its not a structural beam Houses are built of stone round here.
Oh.... and i'm home now (edinburgh)
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AK
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sitting looking at the colours just now.... two of them do look like bad night out on the wall
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Pablo
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not bad matey looks nice !
Good TV mate sure u get Digital TV/box else its wasted!
And use the right cables for DVDs dont just use a scart!
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Ally
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Looks nice Adam, we were going to have cream and brown in our living room but decided just to go for the cream
Might look abit poo split off with a dado, have you thought about doing all the walls cream, then having one wall brown? That would look funky
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Ally
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We didnt have cream we have magnolia as well £8.97 for 15 litres from B&Q ... the whole house is done in it!
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Andrew
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That B&Q paint is ace. I used that  Been up about a year now and still looks as new as the day it went up
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Ally
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Yeh, we used the huge pots of white to undercoat then the magnolia for everywhere else
If i do want some colour in my bedroom ill just do one wall purple/brown. Thought it would look crap everywhere being one colour but it doesnt, just having nice coloured accessories makes it look nice and modern!
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MikeE
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I hope the house isnt timber framed 
Why ?
Because i would imagine lopping of the noggins (or 'posts') in such a small pier might not be such a good idea?
nog's don't matter as such, i should imagine its brick on the outside timber frammer internal walls there for all joists sit in brick work making internal walls non load bearing.
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sigibbons
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Originally posted by Jules S
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Originally posted by escortgti.com
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Originally posted by Jules S
I hope the house isnt timber framed
Why ?
Because i would imagine lopping of the noggins (or 'posts') in such a small pier might not be such a good idea?
nog's don't matter as such, i should imagine its brick on the outside timber frammer internal walls there for all joists sit in brick work making internal walls non load bearing.
If you had joists in the extenal brick/stone work then the damp would go straight through the joists into the house.
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Jake
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Not if you have a damp tray?
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Jules S
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Originally posted by MikeE
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Originally posted by Jules S
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Originally posted by escortgti.com
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Originally posted by Jules S
I hope the house isnt timber framed
Why ?
Because i would imagine lopping of the noggins (or 'posts') in such a small pier might not be such a good idea?
nog's don't matter as such, i should imagine its brick on the outside timber frammer internal walls there for all joists sit in brick work making internal walls non load bearing.
How wrong are you?
>clicky<
Timber framed houses are just that - timber framed. The roof generally goes on and the house is watertight before the external leaf gets built. They were (and probably will be) popular.
The noggins are important because they offer lateral support to the studs within the frame....ie if you push vertically down on lets say a chopstick, it will bend horizontally. The noggins help buttress one stud against the next.
Thats not to say there is a problem in this guys case, as im not 100% certain his gaff is timber framed...ive gotta say it looks like it, but buildings in scotland are put together differently than those in england.
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sigibbons
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Originally posted by Jules S
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Originally posted by MikeE
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Originally posted by Jules S
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Originally posted by escortgti.com
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Originally posted by Jules S
I hope the house isnt timber framed
Why ?
Because i would imagine lopping of the noggins (or 'posts') in such a small pier might not be such a good idea?
nog's don't matter as such, i should imagine its brick on the outside timber frammer internal walls there for all joists sit in brick work making internal walls non load bearing.
How wrong are you?
>clicky<
Timber framed houses are just that - timber framed. The roof generally goes on and the house is watertight before the external leaf gets built. They were (and probably will be) popular.
The noggins are important because they offer lateral support to the studs within the frame....ie if you push vertically down on lets say a chopstick, it will bend horizontally. The noggins help buttress one stud against the next.
Thats not to say there is a problem in this guys case, as im not 100% certain his gaff is timber framed...ive gotta say it looks like it, but buildings in scotland are put together differently than those in england.
Totally agree.
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sigibbons
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Not if you have a damp tray?
Joists dont go in external skins. Always on the internal skin as otherwise you would be bridging the cavity.
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MikeE
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are you chippys? i am newly qualified, i see you'r points here, thinking about it again but the way i see this is 2noggings wont matter a great deal in this case, but what i would have done which i think AK has done, was add two noggings one above the rack and one below.
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Gregor
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Noggins are there to strengthen the timber frame and catch the plasterboard/give it a fix.
Removing this one is going to do fcuk all , if it did , the house would have to be made of matchsticks.
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MikeE
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ok i was tottaly wrong, i'll shut up need to experience some timber framming. i just thought joists would have been in brick work if timber frammed internal walls are used. my bad learnt something mate
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Jake
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This is foreign to me and ive done bricklaying at college for nearly 2 years
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sigibbons
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Im in my 3rd year of carpentry apprenticeship.
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Gregor
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Im an apprentice joiner and I still dont know enough 
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Jules S
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Originally posted by escortgti.com
Noggins are there to strengthen the timber frame and catch the plasterboard/give it a fix.
Removing this one is going to do fcuk all , if it did , the house would have to be made of matchsticks.
Not necessarily the case. If you look at the fotos the pier in question is between two quite wide openings, and therefore it potentially transfers quite a lot of the dead/live load from the floor above.
I agree that taking the odd noggin out of a wide wall panel aint gonna do much harm, however its not the case here.
I'm a senior architectural assistant btw
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MikeE
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Im an apprentice joiner and I still dont know enough
interesting had joinery experience for 1year and picked up a fair bit but its not my thing.
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Jules S
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To be fair to the trainee brickie/chippies here, timber framing has been out of style for quite some time in this country...it sort of died a death in this country (england) in the early nineties, although I can see it coming back 
The trouble was the hairy arsed types back then didnt really have much quality control. So you ended up with an engineerd frame siting on a slab that was all over the place. Also if you read any of the breather membranes things quickly go wrong in the damp dept.
Cue lots of claims and the housing developers moved away from the system.
Shame really, a lot of the northern Europeans seem to be able to make it work....i guess we will catch up one day.
edit: banana fingers typing
[Edited on 03-04-2006 by Jules S]
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sigibbons
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Our company is just finishing building a Scandia Haus timber framed house. The amount of insulation/membranes that has gone into it is unreal!
I think we may be doing some more timber framed houses soon.
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Jules S
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Our company is just finishing building a Scandia Haus timber framed house. The amount of insulation/membranes that has gone into it is unreal!
I think we may be doing some more timber framed houses soon.
Fairplay
I think we will be seeing more and more timber framed structures in the future. They are cheap and quick to build.
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