Craig W
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Im currently consuming around 400grams of protein per day, with low-medium carbs. Losing bodyfat and gaining well, currently adding 5kg+ every week to most lifts.
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Carl
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60% Nutrition - 25% Workout - 10% Rest - 5% Supplementation
 my diet is shit!  I struggle to eat more too.
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Craig W
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NO matter how much weight you lift, if you dont feed your muscles - they wont grow. If you dont consume enough protein etc your muscles will just look to your own body and will just canibalize muscle.
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Nath
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Tuna is good for protein isn't it?
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Jake
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yep.
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Craig W
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Actually, tuna is one of the poorer forms of protein. The BV value is around 40%, for chicken and turkey its around 70% and whole eggs are 100%.
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Jake
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I heard that aswell, the upside is, that its cheap and convient.
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Carl
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Today i've had bacon & sausage sarnie with chips, a vie shot, flapjack, crisps and a nice bit of sirloin and chips. Thats nowhere near what i should be eating is it? I did 3 supersets of 8 reps chin-ups and dips, 3 supersets of curls and kick backs, 50 mins on treadmill for my aerobic base training (150bpm) followed by 2 sets of 21's. With my inadequate diet do you reckon i'd be best getting some kind of protein shake? are them weight gain stuff any good. Tried it before, got a massive tub, ended up putting 1kg on, saw/perceived an increase in strength though, went up a few weights on dumbbell bench press.
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Nath
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I heard that aswell, the upside is, that its cheap and convient.
Tis why I use it. Can knock up a quick sarnie or two.
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Jake
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Add some chopped up cucumber and a sprinkle of pepper to it aswell.
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Craig W
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Today i've had bacon & sausage sarnie with chips, a vie shot, flapjack, crisps and a nice bit of sirloin and chips. Thats nowhere near what i should be eating is it? I did 3 supersets of 8 reps chin-ups and dips, 3 supersets of curls and kick backs, 50 mins on treadmill for my aerobic base training (150bpm) followed by 2 sets of 21's. With my inadequate diet do you reckon i'd be best getting some kind of protein shake? are them weight gain stuff any good. Tried it before, got a massive tub, ended up putting 1kg on, saw/perceived an increase in strength though, went up a few weights on dumbbell bench press.
No, thats crap. Weight gainers have a place in a diet if you're looking to gain weight, but whey protein has a more important place during certain times in the day ie first thing in the morning, straight after training etc (in water). You should aim to get the majority of your protein from whole foods. Supplememnts should be just that - a supplement to an already solid diet. It's a life style, not a hobby. Having the odd protein shake here and there on top of a crap diet wont do you any good. Its all about correct nutrition, meal timings etc. getting the protein/carb/fat balance correct at various times in the day etc.
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Craig W
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I heard that aswell, the upside is, that its cheap and convient.
Tis why I use it. Can knock up a quick sarnie or two.
Scrammbled eggs take just as little time, around 3 minutes in a microwave.
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loo_goblin
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grilled skinless chicken prefferabbly two breasts on bed of rice and a nice side salad is what i eat alot of
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Craig W
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If you are going to eat tuna i suggest having a scoop of whey in water with it also. Whey is a good quality protein and will bring the overall value of the protein up to a better standard.
[Edited on 23-02-2006 by Craig W]
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grilled skinless chicken prefferabbly two breasts on bed of rice and a nice side salad is what i eat alot of
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Carl
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No, thats crap. Weight gainers have a place in a diet if you're looking to gain weight, but whey protein has a more important place during certain times in the day ie first thing in the morning, straight after training etc (in water). You should aim to get the majority of your protein from whole foods. Supplememnts should be just that - a supplement to an already solid diet. It's a life style, not a hobby. Having the odd protein shake here and there on top of a crap diet wont do you any good. Its all about correct nutrition, meal timings etc. getting the protein/carb/fat balance correct at various times in the day etc.
I know what you mean about lifestyle, i'd say you are passed the lifestyle stage and are more towards religion though!I have a friend the same, infact i'd go as far as saying he is addicted to exercise/looking after his body! Mine is more of an hobbie/ active lifestlye. I know my diet is always going to cause me problems, i'm slowly getting better. Just wondered if there was anything, such as a supplement that can help me along a bit?
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Craig W
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Wouldn't go as far as religion 
But yeah, i admit, i practically live for training. It gives me something to look forward to and motivate myself towards. I put this down to the fact that ive researched well, have a spot on routine, spot on diet etc and see good progress. Its a wierd feeling seeing your body change quite dramatically over a period of time. That alone is motivation itself.
[Edited on 23-02-2006 by Craig W]
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loo_goblin
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ur the same with training as i am with hockey i always got a hockey dstick in my hand practicing new things or tricks etc, but hockey is the reason i dont need muscle bulk nemore as rugby is out of my life now
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Craig W
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Im doing 45 mins cardio every morning at present, so dropping a bit of bodyfat. Currently have veins running through my chest/delts that look like they'd be better suited on a road map
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Carl
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Wouldn't go as far as religion
But yeah, i admit, i practically live for training. It gives me something to look forward to and motivate myself towards. I put this down to the fact that ive researched well, have a spot of routine, spot on diet etc and see good progress. Its a wierd feeling seeing your body change quite dramatically over a period of time. That alone is motivation itself.
Yu really do sound like my friend i went to uni with. A weird lad though, never showed off, infact the oposite, he used to skip the lab tests at uni as didn't like the attention. Only one he did was when we talked him into doing the sit up bleep test and he did all of the tape. Always wore big jumpers and stuff too, never realised how immense a physique he had until i went training with him once and he took his t-shirt off. Looked like a wwf wrestler! he's an immense kick boxer too, I'm 6ft 2 and i was holding the pad way above my head and the force he was kicking it with was well impressive. Think he's started back up and is on about competing.
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Craig W
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You'll find in 90% of cases, most muscular people wear baggy clothes and actually hide what they've achieved. Personally i feel if i wear tight clothes people will think im showing off, and people do stare, and that makes you paranoid. The other 10% are the people who train 7 days a week, for 5 hours a day, eat sod all nutrition, and wear clothes 3x too small to show off their 14" biceps.
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Carl
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. The other 10% are the people who train 7 days a week, for 5 hours a day, eat sod all nutrition, and wear clothes 3x too small to show off their 14" biceps.
Sounds like me  Although i only wear fitted/tight t-shirts as i'm tall and lanky and really cant stand baggy t-shirts! and i train 3 times a week for roughly an hour.
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The only thing i do like that, is make my pecs dance Only in the privacy of my room because my bird always makes me do it. I can make both pecs bounce up and down, or one at a time. So she puts on a music channel and makes me do a dance with them to the beat of the music
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Carl
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The only thing i do like that, is make my pecs dance Only in the privacy of my room because my bird always makes me do it. I can make both pecs bounce up and down, or one at a time. So she puts on a music channel and makes me do a dance with them to the beat of the music
PMSL
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Got to agree with Craig W on all of what he ahs said. Sounds alot like myself. Being into bodybuilding I know my stuff also.
Cardio is good for you. If you're trying to put muscle on then cardio is basically hindering you... a bit is OK as a warm up before a weights session but that's about it. But it is cardio vascular work. Basically burning calories, slimming down, increasing circulation/endurance but not building muscle. Cardio is great for losing weight but in all honesty... to lose my weight I hardly did any cardio work. Only a 30min warmup before the gym/weights sessions at the gym. And to be fair I don't even do that anymore, just get stuck straight into the weights. I go to the gym 4times a week at least for at least two hours a session. Best way to lose weight is to honestly take care of your diet first. Without a good diet, even doing cardio exercise, you aren't going to lose much weight overall. Due to what you burn off, you put back on from eating shoot foods.
In terms of exercises I would STRONGLY recommend press-ups. I personally hate treadmills and fitness bikes at the gym. I would personally rather go for a run outdoors or go for a real bike ride. And I rarely do that. I do find the rower in gyms a very good exercise. Burn more calories as well as warming up your whole body at once (legs, arms, chest, back, etc).
I personally think that press-ups are the best overall exercise anyone can do. Increase strength, muscle tone, good cardio, increase endurance and stamina. Plus you can do them all in the space of your own home. Even before you go to bed.
In terms of supplements like Proteins for instance, I swear by them. But only DECENT ones. Very rare in itself. All stuff like York, Celtech, Maxi-Muscle, etc is just pure overpriced crap. That's why you won't have noticed any gains. And if you weren't working out correctly you may have seen or had the adverse effect. The stuff that I use and sell is by far the best.
As well as having protein three times a day (75g in total) I also use an Amino-Load straight after every workout and only then. Also use shoot-hot multi-vitamins/minerals (one a day, everyday). As well as L-Ornthine and L-Arginine. These two compoenents occur naturally in your body, and these boosters come in tablet form (take 3of each a day, everyday). One of them promotes the production of growth hormones. The other promotes the release of the growth hormone when produced. So basically work IDEAL toegther. Also have a slimming effect as well as a water-retention loss effect which are great for toning up the muscle bulk you've put on using the other stuff.
All of the stuff I use is Allsports brand and get them at trade price to retail.
It's all well and good taking these supplements religiously. But ONLY do it if you get into a good set routine of training/weights workouts. Otherwise, without ripping the muscle to repair (bigger) your body won't need to use the supplements and so you either crap it out or your body converts it to fat, and so the adverse effect takes place.
Believe me a gym membership is ONLY a waste of money... or expensive if you're paying for it and just don't use it. Otherwise if you use it religiously then it's worth it's weight in Gold. I'm a member of Fitness First as well as a local "blood and sweat" free weights gym. However... Fitness First really has all the free weights you'll really need. Always best to go with a friend too. Push each other and see each other gain. Otherwise it can get a tad tedious having to go on your own, like I did for years. But if you want something bad enough, you'll do whatever it takes.
Best way to see the supplements as are...
Amino Acids - Builder
Protein - Bricks
Carbs - Builder's Food
Vitamins/Minerals - Cement
My advice would be...
Sort Diet Out. (Fish, Eggs, Fruit, Veg, Lean Meat, Milk, Soft Cheeses. No Crap Like Sweets, Sodas, Crisps, Fast Food. AND Beer Is Awful For You!!! Don't Cut It Out, But Don't Have As Much.Guiness Being The WORST. 1PINT Guiness = 1 SUNDAY ROAST DINNER! ;-/
Try To Stick To Ciders (Non-Yeast), Or ANY Spirits. MUCH Better For You. Vodka Redbull ALL The Way. LOL.
Join Gym - Warm Up On Rower, Long Session Of Free Weights, Weight Machines Each Time. 1-2Hours A Session. And At LEAST TWICE a week.
Get Hold Of Decent Supplements And Take Accordingly To Your Workout Regime.
Plenty Of Sleep.
Drink Lots Of Water.
Don't Eat Before Or After A Workout (Otherwise Blood Concentrates On Digestion Rather Than Pumping Or Repairing Muscles.
Creatine is crap. Simple as.
Best Stuff -
Protein - Allsports DP90 (Daily Protein 90%)
Currently the best Protein on the market. And is Whey protein. Soya protein is shite.
Amino Acids - Allsports Amino Load.
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