bubble
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Registered: 24th Jan 04
Location: Darwin, NT Australia.
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we have a had a fuel pumps fail on CDTi variants of corsa's n astra's-all had red diesel in them.
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ed
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Registered: 10th Sep 03
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Running your car on veg oil is simple, just put some in with a bit of methonol to aid combustion. But the problem is, Veg oil is a bit heavier than mineral diesel, so you will bugger your fuel pump up after a while, especially on cold starts. To overcome this youcould fit a start up tank for a dual fuel system.
Bio diesel is different. What you are doing is making the string of molecules that make up the veg oil shorter so that they are more diesel like. This is a chemical process involving ethenol... Basically, on average, after the start up costs of about £1500 you can be producing Biodiesel for about 54p/litre. You do this by getting chip oil from chippys, you need a licence to do this though.
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ed
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That's including tax too 
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Black Corsa SRi
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Registered: 25th May 02
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quote:
Originally posted by Ben
i think if you mix kerosine, with oil its the same , but doesnt show up when you get dipped
it 100% does mate cause customs come dipping for it in the cars in my works car park all the time!Plus unless you work with aircraft where you gonna get aviation fuel from!
[Edited on 30-01-2006 by Black Corsa SRi]
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bradfincham
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Registered: 20th Sep 02
Location: East Of England Drives: Clio 172
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Or you can use rape oil, ethanol and a large tank and filtration process
costs 5k to set up
and costs about 30p per litre to produce
But if you have the rape oil then its cheaper
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ed
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Registered: 10th Sep 03
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Especially if you have the straw from the rapeseed because you can also have an electricity generator that powers the whole thing. I really have too much time on my hands, but I have figure out how to make a fair ammount of money.
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bradfincham
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Registered: 20th Sep 02
Location: East Of England Drives: Clio 172
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How about 800 tonnes of rape, should make possibly 200 tonnes of rape oil 
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ed
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How many litres is that? For a £120k investment for the machinary you can be making 3500 litres of Biodiesel per 24 hours. That should cost you about 20p-30p/litre to make all in all. Mineral diesel costs about 90p/litre. Hmmm. Oh, also, the price of oil isn't going down. If you set up enough companys making Biodiesel then the major oil companys will buy you out eventually as there is a need for this kind of thing in the void between mineral fuels and hydrogen fuels. Lots of money.
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corsastev
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Registered: 28th May 04
Location: thornaby
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i used to have a corsa with a twin tank system to run it on sunflower oil i used to save a forune it had a heat exchanger to heat the oil before it enters the fuel filter so the oil was almost as thin as diesel i never had any probs with it i say go for it if you are thinkin o doin it the only down side to it is yr exhaust smells like a chip shop when yr running it on veg oil
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PK1
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you had a dual fuel system running?
it looks fairly simple to do, only thing is did you notice a lack of power when flooring it (caused by the higher flash point)
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Marshall
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Registered: 10th Nov 05
Location: Boston, Lincs Drives: 1.4 Sport & 2.2 astra
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The last time my dad had to buy red diesel 4 our farm, because we wanted less than a tanker full, it cost more than it did at the pumps once we got it, dispite it carrying (slightly) less VAT. wot a fcuking joke, i mean its hard enough 4 british farmers to make a living as it is.
rant over.
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John
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Registered: 30th Jun 03
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Why did you not just buy it from the pumps then?
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Marshall
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Registered: 10th Nov 05
Location: Boston, Lincs Drives: 1.4 Sport & 2.2 astra
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quote:
Originally posted by John
Why did you not just buy it from the pumps then?
 r u serious? so we wud either have to make hundreds of trips to the pumps with tin cans or drive there in the tractors every time we needed some. To add to the problem the nearest pumps are 2 miles away, all car drivers hate tractors and most importantly why the hell shud farmers have to pay the same price as common folk.
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James_DT
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Registered: 9th Apr 04
Location: Cambridgeshire
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Originally posted by Charly
why the hell shud farmers have to pay the same price as common folk.
Yeah, instead you paid more.
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John
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quote:
Originally posted by James_DT
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Originally posted by Charly
why the hell shud farmers have to pay the same price as common folk.
Yeah, instead you paid more.
Exactly what I was thinking.
Didn't make a very good argument there did you.
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Ian
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Registered: 28th Aug 99
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They should pay less - the tax is designed to fund road usage. They spend most of the time in fields.
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John
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Registered: 30th Jun 03
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I know Ian, but if there was a cheaper way to get it I would have been doing it that way.
And the comment about paying less than common folk when he paid more wasn't the best one to make.
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Ian
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Registered: 28th Aug 99
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Driving to the pump is so massively impractical its not worth considering!
Plus not only would it take you hours to get there, you would be half an hour holding the hose!
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ed
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Registered: 10th Sep 03
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I remember when we had our diesel tank on the farm. It had a little hose on it that you popped into the diesel tank on the tractor. Then you had to turn on the tap on the tank... Then you waited for the diesel to overflow out of the tank 
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Marshall
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Registered: 10th Nov 05
Location: Boston, Lincs Drives: 1.4 Sport & 2.2 astra
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we have handpumps on most of ours
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sxi16vjoe
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Registered: 16th Dec 02
Location: Kent
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My old van run on red diesel for years. Til my boss gave me a diesel card.
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vibrio
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quote:
Originally posted by ed
I remember when we had our diesel tank on the farm. It had a little hose on it that you popped into the diesel tank on the tractor. Then you had to turn on the tap on the tank... Then you waited for the diesel to overflow out of the tank
the sheep have not forgotten you
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MarkM
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Registered: 11th Apr 01
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quote:
Originally posted by ed
I remember when we had our diesel tank on the farm. It had a little hose on it that you popped into the diesel tank on the tractor. Then you had to turn on the tap on the tank... Then you waited for the diesel to overflow out of the tank
I do this when filling up with the normal diesel from my dads company...
*Overflows* "yep thats full* haha
Line stays past full for about 80-90 miles...
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ed
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You can do that with Corsa's too...
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vibrio
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quote:
Originally posted by ed
You can do that with Corsa's too...
I did it wih your maw
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