SetH
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I was going to say the same thing, but didnt want to sound like i was telling jodi what to do, (not that im suggesting thats what you are doing craig).
Bet yes, defo stepping on toes, i have seen it to an extent here in Norwich.
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Tom
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It's sketchy can get nasty easy i aint no-one at all but I know people in the know with first hand experience and it's mad the way shit starts from fuck all. scary shit tbh.
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TimS
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the way he is doing it is if they do not currently outsoruce he takes on the existing staff and trains them up to SIA standard if they are not already rudcing HR costs on there end.
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Drysdale
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tbh, work your way up. I suppose you're only interested in work for big clubs etc. Why not get a few good business relationships going with much smaller venues/bars etc who use in-house security. Introduce yourself and get a few good relationships going. Once you're proven then move on to approaching the larger venues. If you're recognised in any way in the local area and have a few smaller chains on your 'portfolio' you are much more likely to get interest from anywhere else.
I have no experience at all with security at any level but I'm just trying to make sense of it. Like someone said, you dont want to be stepping on peoples toes and making enemies with such small backing, especially in that kind of business.
Just my two pence/cents/euros.
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Tom
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quote:
Originally posted by Drysdale
tbh, work your way up. I suppose you're only interested in work for big clubs etc. Why not get a few good business relationships going with much smaller venues/bars etc who use in-house security. Introduce yourself and get a few good relationships going. Once you're proven then move on to approaching the larger venues. If you're recognised in any way in the local area and have a few smaller chains on your 'portfolio' you are much more likely to get interest from anywhere else.
I have no experience at all with security at any level but I'm just trying to make sense of it. Like someone said, you dont want to be stepping on peoples toes and making enemies with such small backing, especially in that kind of business.
Just my two pence/cents/euros.
Good nouse soon  but still sketchy business to be in, expect loads of hassel imo 
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Drysdale
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I'm really considering taking the SIA training as an alternative to the police..in a bit of a dead end job right now. Def need to look into it more.
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TimS
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No the SIA will become the standard in soon, and several place demand it.
Its not an alterative to the police but a security standard.
We have targeted small places as well, in our marketing.
[Edited on 04-03-2005 by TimS]
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Drysdale
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No, I meant I'm considering doing SIA training as an alternative to joining the police.
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TimS
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Ahh i get you, its about £10-12 an hour if you do
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Welsh Dan
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Originally posted by Jodi_the_g
I am going out now, hot date lol, if anyone has any suggestions please mial me on jodimyatt@evolutuiondevelopments.org.uk
Ruin her? 
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Craig W
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Clubs/pubs/nightlife etc isn't going to be half as safe as it used to be, i'd say around 50% of the doormen i know have give up the doors because they're not willing to pay for the SIA badge (£195 for the training and £190 for the licence). Im SIA trained and it's a joke, the doors are going to be filled with plant pots and jacket fillers, ie people who are just their to make up the numbers. Experienced doormen who have been doing it for years don't want to pay £400 just for the right to work. Venues will employ as many SIA registered doormen as they legally need and they'll have the experienced doormen who aren't badged undercover, thats the way it's going, i know loads of managers who are keeping on un-registered SIA doormen and keeping them in plain clothes in case it kicks off.
[Edited on 04-03-2005 by Craig W]
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TimS
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We pay for the badge of all our staff
[Edited on 04-03-2005 by TimS]
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Craig W
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What's your company name?
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Craig W
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quote:
Originally posted by TimS
No the SIA will become the standard in soon, and several place demand it.
Its not an alterative to the police but a security standard.
We have targeted small places as well, in our marketing.
[Edited on 04-03-2005 by TimS]
Soon? Now, my friend:
The only area where you dont need to be SIA registered is London at present, and for that area you wont be able to work without an SIA badge from 11/4/05 - it's effective in every other area in England, now.
It's not several places that demand it, its every place - every place that require door staff.
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Craig W
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Ahh i get you, its about £10-12 an hour if you do
That's been the going rate for the past few years even with just a council badge. Because theirs such few doormen with an SIA badge wages have gone up and people are naming their own prices. £15-£20 an hour is the going rate for good, experienced doormen. But then again the majority of the 'new' doorstaff are better suited on the door of Mothercare so can't expect much of a wage anyway.
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