bradfincham
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im looking into the protein stuff as well,
ive only been back on the creatine 2 weeks now, want to know what proteins are the best as well, for muscle and size!
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R Lee
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Originally posted by vibrio
creatine = water retention
taken with carbs around 30% of people get better recovery.
apart from that its usless unless you want water retention
i hear this has recently been proven to be false.
but it does aid recovery.
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IntaCepta
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i thought it only helps the muscles recover more faster.
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daveyb
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Cant remember what you call it but i used creatine in a liquid form - a little bottle with a dropper, 5 drops under the tongue has the same effect as the same dose of powder, but you dont have a loading period like with the powder - noticed good gains too
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SetH
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Oh dear Oh dear, another month another misinformed thread on creatine.
Dean strongly suggest you go and do your own research rather than asking questions on here. or you could post the same question on www.muscletalk.co.uk you will get an informed and accurate answer then.
I have posted several times on creatine, i cant be arsed anymore. Try a search, there have been several threads on this before.
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SetH
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To make a useful contribution to this post It is only worth taking creatine if you are an athelete who regularly partakes in regular intense anaerobic training.
Ie Powerlifters & bodybuilders, not just a joe bloggs who messes about in the gym a few times a week which is usually 90% of gym goers.
Also benefits footballers, Track and field atheletes etc.
In short if your training is not intense I really would not bother, you would not see the benefit.
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Greg_M
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i surverly doubt that many of you quoting on the effects of creatine dont even know what it does.
this may be a public forum, but posting on what to do to your car is one thing. effects on the health of the individual is a different matter.
[Edited on 18-01-2005 by Greg_M]
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SetH
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Exactly, i studied a for a sports and fitness science degree and have 8 years of bodybuilding under my belt. Also have tried many supplements other the years and read many research articles on them. I doubt that many people on here have the same credentials and thus are ill advised to comment on creatine.
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quote:
Originally posted by Greg_M
i surverly doubt that many of you quoting on the effects of creatine dont even know what it does.
this may be a public forum, but posting on what to do to your car is one thing. effects on the health of the individual is a different matter.
[Edited on 18-01-2005 by Greg_M]
AMEN!!
[Edited on 18-01-2005 by eightball]
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Greg_M
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quote:
Originally posted by SetH
Exactly, i studied a for a sports and fitness science degree and have 8 years of bodybuilding under my belt. Also have tried many supplements other the years and read many research articles on them. I doubt that many people on here have the same credentials and thus are ill advised to comment on creatine.
I too have completed a BSC and done much research into this area, and i wouldnt even class myself as someone that could tell someone to take a suppliment in their diet that could potentially cause them harm.
although there are no outlined so called side effects, there have been cases of weight gain outside of that normall exerperience in normal growth, and thus, as it is believe happend to a good friend of mine, they occured injuries to there weight baring limbs. And that is just one thing that springs to mind. And he was a full time athlete (400m) who had won medals at major chanpionships.
In it most basic terms, what you are refering to is an oral version of a amino acid that 95% of which is present in the body. In the body it is sythesised into phosopho creatine, which inturn is nessisary in the resythesis of ATP. the energy source used in high intensity exercise. The time limit of which has much deviation. It has been shown that the oral intake increases the substrate stores in humnas. Thus increasing the availability of it, and in turn the rate of resynthesis. (Balsom et al., 1995; Casey et al., 1996; Greenhaff et al., 1993; Harris, Soderlund, & Hultman, 1992)
Unless the activity rate, and intensity (along with the exercise period) is significantly relivent. Its just pointless. However i would not advise anyone to use it unless advise that it is ok to do so buy a medical professional, which entales a full medical. As with any supliment. Your body is capable f taking on more creatine, simply eat souces of creatine (fish ect)
Im sure i will get slated for this essay but i felt that this information may benifit some people. And im sure Seth and vibs can add to this is they wish.
[Edited on 18-01-2005 by Greg_M]
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Pop
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hey...
it's up to yourself what you choose to use (if you actually need any supplements).
i've known a few people that have use it, mainly for muscle recovery because of intense workouts. i'm working on a training program given to me for rodeo kayaking and just use small doses of protein supplements.
your best bet like drew said is to ask people who are qualified to give you the best advise for your body and what you want to achieve.
[Edited on 18-01-2005 by Pop]
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Sinth
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forget creatine, take m1 test
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R Lee
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just eat COW 
moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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I'm training to run the london marathon in April and also wanting to bulk up a bit to the size I used to be when I was regularly playing rugby, also I want to achieve more muscle definition and toning, what's the best supplement to take if any?
[Edited on 18-01-2005 by graficxpress]
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SetH
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quote:
Originally posted by Greg_M
quote:
Originally posted by SetH
Exactly, i studied a for a sports and fitness science degree and have 8 years of bodybuilding under my belt. Also have tried many supplements other the years and read many research articles on them. I doubt that many people on here have the same credentials and thus are ill advised to comment on creatine.
I too have completed a BSC and done much research into this area, and i wouldnt even class myself as someone that could tell someone to take a suppliment in their diet that could potentially cause them harm.
although there are no outlined so called side effects, there have been cases of weight gain outside of that normall exerperience in normal growth, and thus, as it is believe happend to a good friend of mine, they occured injuries to there weight baring limbs. And that is just one thing that springs to mind. And he was a full time athlete (400m) who had won medals at major chanpionships.
In it most basic terms, what you are refering to is an oral version of a amino acid that 95% of which is present in the body. In the body it is sythesised into phosopho creatine, which inturn is nessisary in the resythesis of ATP. the energy source used in high intensity exercise. The time limit of which has much deviation. It has been shown that the oral intake increases the substrate stores in humnas. Thus increasing the availability of it, and in turn the rate of resynthesis. (Balsom et al., 1995; Casey et al., 1996; Greenhaff et al., 1993; Harris, Soderlund, & Hultman, 1992)
Unless the activity rate, and intensity (along with the exercise period) is significantly relivent. Its just pointless. However i would not advise anyone to use it unless advise that it is ok to do so buy a medical professional, which entales a full medical. As with any supliment. Your body is capable f taking on more creatine, simply eat souces of creatine (fish ect)
Im sure i will get slated for this essay but i felt that this information may benifit some people. And im sure Seth and vibs can add to this is they wish.
[Edited on 18-01-2005 by Greg_M]
Nothing to add really, didnt want to confuse these with the science but what you have written is well put, you have even cited references
All i can add to that is that beef has the most abundant amouts of creatine out off all the meats.
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its pants best of getting some Dbol for that £££
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quote:
Originally posted by graficxpress
I'm training to run the london marathon in April and also wanting to bulk up a bit to the size I used to be when I was regularly playing rugby, also I want to achieve more muscle definition and toning, what's the best supplement to take if any?
[Edited on 18-01-2005 by graficxpress]
why would you want to be big to run a marathon?!
Surely the less weight your carrying will make it easier
sprinters are big to explode the power, long distance runners are skinny and energy efficient
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I don't want to get huge! Just get back to size I was a while ago and gain more muscle definition.
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quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lee
quote:
Originally posted by vibrio
creatine = water retention
taken with carbs around 30% of people get better recovery.
apart from that its usless unless you want water retention
i hear this has recently been proven to be false.
but it does aid recovery.
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vibrio
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quote:
Originally posted by Greg_M
i surverly doubt that many of you quoting on the effects of creatine dont even know what it does.
this may be a public forum, but posting on what to do to your car is one thing. effects on the health of the individual is a different matter.
[Edited on 18-01-2005 by Greg_M]
I do scientific research in the field of energy metabolism 
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my mate was taking it for a while, i think he still does.
hes pretty big, but then again he always was, he goes to the gym about 4 times a week.
but recently hes been off work for a couple of months with tummy pains, could be a link there?
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SetH
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Originally posted by Super_si
its pants best of getting some Dbol for that £££
TBH this statement is shockingly true IMHO.
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Super_si
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Get better gains
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Jodi_the_g
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Originally posted by Super_si
Get better gains
Wonder how long it would take you ton post, ya skinney little runt
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Super_si
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you dont know me then.
Winny would be abetter option more pricy but lean gains
[Edited on 19-01-2005 by Super_si]
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