Adam
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The people who took the hostages are from Chechneya, they are doing it because they want chechneya to be an independent state from Russia. IMO it's the worst thing they could have done taking womin and children hostage, especially these days where the pictures will be seen live all over the world. Involving children in this just ain't right and they chechnyens will have lost a lot of supporters for their cause because of this.
The wall got blown in as this makes a perfect entry point for the special forces, you don't generally expect a group of people to suddenly just emerge from a wall. Also the captors were keeping the children next to the windows so they are not a viable entry point to the building.
They do seem to have done a much better job this time than they did at the theatre siege.
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dave17
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jus been watchin, apparantly 5 childer dead so far 
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Adam
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That's gonna go up a lot as more info comes out
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They're chasing the gunmen through the town, as they've escaped....go Ruuussians 
would no way ever happen in the UK.....the SAS would have it all over in a matter of minutes
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Adam
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They're chasing the gunmen through the town, as they've escaped....go Ruuussians
would no way ever happen in the UK.....the SAS would have it all over in a matter of minutes
The Speitnaz are almost just as good as the SAS, they will have been trained togather etc, the terrorists escaped in the cunfusion of 200+ people running out of the building, so you can't really have a go at them for that
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leni
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Adam I agree with you BUT!!! the only way people are taking notice is by taking women and children hostage!
Also, look at the wider picture, the Russians have the hostages right where they want them, kill a few children and blame the hostages! It's largely properganda!
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got a point there mate. Speitnaz are very professional and i suppose we have to remember that this is happening in a built up area so there are alot of people around and lots of places to hide.
Even though this is Speitnaz teritory....i know which force i would rather have doing the job given the choice
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Adam
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Aye, SAS are the best for sure.
Leni, I think there were enough children killed without their rescuers having to do anything
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shocking absolutly shocking, but at least were seeing lots of people coming out of the building alive, bloody but alive.
I dunno if any1 remembers the pics after the theatre seige with peeps coming out and going into buses but then appearing to be dead......which they infact were
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Patrick
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Russians are keeping it quiet. Understanding really considering the embarassment they will suffer. Seige was not planned, they made a complete mess of it, everything that could go wrong went wrong!
Talks are that there are 15 confirmed dead, over 400 injured. Likely outcome are over 100 dead, there is talk that there are over 100 bodies lying in the gym!
Yet another fuck up from the russians!
The first explosion that caused the hole in the wall was caused by one of the hostage takers accidently detonating their belt of explosives.
Complete mess.
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stevegreetham
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apparently they were going to go in but later tonight at last light (itv news channel) but a few children saw the chance to escape and took it which resulted in the terrorists firing at them. This in turn led to the russians firing at the terrorists
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Lynny
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before long it'll be us....
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Adam
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Originally posted by Patrick
Russians are keeping it quiet. Understanding really considering the embarassment they will suffer. Seige was not planned, they made a complete mess of it, everything that could go wrong went wrong!
Talks are that there are 15 confirmed dead, over 400 injured. Likely outcome are over 100 dead, there is talk that there are over 100 bodies lying in the gym!
Yet another fuck up from the russians!
The first explosion that caused the hole in the wall was caused by one of the hostage takers accidently detonating their belt of explosives.
Complete mess.
How did they fuck up? The hostage takers started blowing themselves up, people started running out of the building while being shot at by the terrorists. That's the last thing that the special forces want, and given the circumstances they seem to have delt with the situation very well.
I'd hardly say they are keeping it quiet, I've heard at least 3-4 Russian ministers on the BBC World Service this afternoon. The situation is still ongoing, they firefight has not even finished so you can't expect complete figures and facts of what happened for a few days at least.
How arrogant do you want to be?
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^^^^agreed, if the Russians didnt go in then the terrorists would have started killing more hostages and probably even blowed up the school
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Drysdale
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Looks like another cock up by russian special forces. If the SAS or for that matter, any british force dealt with this all of them would still be alive.
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Looks like another cock up by russian special forces. If the SAS or for that matter, any british force dealt with this all of them would still be alive.
You can't say that for sure...
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Lynny
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in all fairness, what good is arguing bout it goina do?
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Ally
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I felt like i couldnt watch it on TV, i said to richie, 'what if have been one of our babies in there'...
really hit home then about how horrified and scared those kids parents must be
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the russians did fuck up,they filled a room full of poison gas trying to knock out the terrorists,but they killed alot of hostages instead...
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When you get to this kinda level, you have to understand that theres no way you can prepare for this exact kind of scenario - everything is different and there are little variables that change all the time. Even the SAS would have struggled to do this kinda thing without any casualties, but for some reason the Russkies always seem to do a poor job of it
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the russians did fuck up,they filled a room full of poison gas trying to knock out the terrorists,but they killed alot of hostages instead...
Did they ? 
The people who wear in the school tried to escape but the rebels shot at them so the Russians started firing at them, wouldnt say they fooked up
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Drysdale
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Been listening to it all day. For a start the SAS/army would have sealed off the area within a few miles so no parents/journalists could get through. Secondly, our negotiators would have done a better job as we've got more experience in SUCCESSFUL negotiations rather than gung-ho tactics. Lastly, if the SAS had to go in, their record shows they're one of the best in the world. Can't think of a situation they've been in in which hostages have died when they've become involved...sierra leone with the irish reg hostages, the iranian embassy, the scottish prison etc etc. All sensitive hostage situations (soldiers/embassy workers).
No idea why the russians let in all those parents...really complicated the scene and allowed the hostage-takers an easier escape.
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Drysdale
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Don't even get me started on the theatre siege  one of the biggest cock ups in history. It seems as if russian special forces priorities aren't right.
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Rob
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British, yeh we lost 15 children in Dumblane! from one mad man, and you can still just walk into a school and do the same today, we never learnt!
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