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Cant be arsed going back and forward, and were well off topic now.
Im not arsed if he is considered a hero or not. But would rather people see what work he did for conservation via the zoo, his shows and his own money he was puring back into his conservation programmes and research.
Yes he took risks, and yes he often did things to catch attention on his shows, but this is how he worked and its how he brought alot of issues to the masses. He could of been another david attonbrough but this wouldnt of gained anymore exposure.
But because he was taking a risk doesnt take away the work he did and couldnt of done without acting like that.
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agreed, it is a good debate, and that was to add to it  Blaine's stunts are the same attention seeking drivel as Irwins were IMO 
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and? my life will not be any less rich for the lack of a rare monkey in the amazon 
it would however, be less rich if someone close to me was killed by one.
what about if that person saved then went on to murder and kill your whole family?
are you attempting to make the arguement even more pointless?
i dont care for animals, i find pets pointless, and i dont see the fuss about dolphins being in danger or anything. i care about people.
I think I'm the same, most people say to me "ohhhh your cruel" but I just can't be arsed with a smelly spit ridden dog climbing allover my leather settee and making visitors feel uncomfortable because they can smell the dogs arsehole when they lick it.
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the irony is he got killed by something which isn't classed as half as dangerous as the beasts he's famous for working with.
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That is indeed the bitterest of ironies.
Why is it bitter?
Because he has spent much of his life at close contact with far more dangerous and ferocious animals and got away with his life, yet dies, far from his conventional environment from some form of attack from what is commonly accepted to be a comparitively docile creature.
A bit like a rally driver being killed on the bumper cars, or a fighter pilot suffering a fatal heart attack while playing a flight simulator game.
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i wonder if people would be saying the same if he was killed say by a drink driver or a suicide bomber??
by the way i mean that seriously im not trying to be clever
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the irony is he got killed by something which isn't classed as half as dangerous as the beasts he's famous for working with.
[Edited on 04-09-2006 by Jizinho Silva 10]
That is indeed the bitterest of ironies.
Why is it bitter?
Because he has spent much of his life at close contact with far more dangerous and ferocious animals and got away with his life, yet dies, far from his conventional environment from some form of attack from what is commonly accepted to be a comparitively docile creature.
A bit like a rally driver being killed on the bumper cars, or a fighter pilot suffering a fatal heart attack while playing a flight simulator game.
I thought that's what you meant, just don't quite know how things are meant on here at times, but although I admire the blokes braveness and the programmes he put out, I think it was an accident waiting to happen, I just expected it to be a snakebite or a crocodile that killed him.
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no, then i would have the deepest sympathy for him, that would have been a complete random accident, totally unrelated.
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i wonder if people would be saying the same if he was killed say by a drink driver or a suicide bomber??
by the way i mean that seriously im not trying to be clever
exactly.
Or if someone died on the way to the office driving along the motorway people would say 'Yeah but he knew the risks of driving and should of expected it'
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that would have been a complete random accident, totally unrelated.
so being killed in a way that has only happened once in the last 18yrs isnt a random enough accident for you?
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i wonder if people would be saying the same if he was killed say by a drink driver or a suicide bomber??
by the way i mean that seriously im not trying to be clever
exactly.
Or if someone died on the way to the office driving along the motorway people would say 'Yeah but he knew the risks of driving and should of expected it'
good point to be honest and along the same lines of what i was trying to say 
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well you do know the risk of driving on a motorway o any roads
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He wasnt doing anything dangerous when he died
He was in the sea though Kerry, and if i'm correctly informed, somewhere near the bottom of it too, which must have inherent risks in itself.
he was snorkeling thus not that deep as he would have been just free diving
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because he didnt save people from fire, or war.
but he has saved a hell of alot of animals, done work to save whole species, probably saved humans from approaching deadly snakes due to educating them on his show, etc.
Im not doing another post here....but FFS cosmo, steve Irwin enlightened the Aus populus about the spiders and snakes they live with?
Thats a bit like telling us jamie oliver told us our kids eat shit food at school 
ahhh but the difference is jamie did something about it 
too true, in the same way steve irwin did something about the way us humans destroy our wildlife and the world around us. and as someone said how animals have survived for 1000's of years without help us in the same way humans have been around for years without the technology we have now yet these days no-one could cope without their computer or mobile etc. in the same way we've altered the earth so that we have to now take care for some animals that are endangered due to other peoples actions.
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its not the same though.
a wild animal is unpredictable, hence why they dont let you in the tiger pen at the zoo.
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And because soldiers are defending their (or possibly somebody elses) country, often against their will.
i knew the army was short but forced recruits 
Not familiar with national service Kerry?
Or people that were sent to other countries to fight that didn't want to?
There were plenty of examples of the latter over the past few years when ill equipped, trained and prepaired squaddies were sent to suffer and or die on foreign soil.
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i wonder if people would be saying the same if he was killed say by a drink driver or a suicide bomber??
by the way i mean that seriously im not trying to be clever
Well although I expected him to get killed by something one day, I certainly don't think he was an attention seeking ass who just did programs and felt obliged to dive on dangerous animals, he did alot for what he believed was right, and he achieved his aim IMO.
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well you do know the risk of driving on a motorway o any roads
if you expected to die when driving you wouldnt drive.
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And because soldiers are defending their (or possibly somebody elses) country, often against their will.
i knew the army was short but forced recruits
Not familiar with national service Kerry?
Or people that were sent to other countries to fight that didn't want to?
There were plenty of examples of the latter over the past few years when ill equipped, trained and prepaired squaddies were sent to suffer and or die on foreign soil.
sorry i thought we were talking about the uk 
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no i mean there is going to be risks at the end of the day its not just you, but it can be other drivers that crash into you. if u get me
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i wonder if people would be saying the same if he was killed say by a drink driver or a suicide bomber??
Probably not.
I wouldn't.
That would be plain unfortunate.
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its not the same though.
a wild animal is unpredictable, hence why they dont let you in the tiger pen at the zoo.
another driver on the road is unpredictable, do you still walk down the path, cross roads and drive on busy roads.
Humans are unpredictable, do you still go to busy places?
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in the same way we've altered the earth so that we have to now take care for some animals that are endangered due to other peoples actions.
why? its like the pollution thing, the damage is done by previous generations, but we have to put up with the crap from trying yo save the world
its like the people who get pissed off and break into HLS, all because they think testing on animals is cruel. get a grip, we need medical research more than we need mice.
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yes, everything is a risk these days, just walkin to yr nearest store can be a risk
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no i mean there is going to be risks at the end of the day its not just you, but it can be other drivers that crash into you. if u get me
yes, so he was taking the risks he thought were acceptable to do his job and get his point across. As you think the risk is accpetable to drive and do so.
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good point
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its not the same though.
a wild animal is unpredictable, hence why they dont let you in the tiger pen at the zoo.
another driver on the road is unpredictable, do you still walk down the path, cross roads and drive on busy roads.
Humans are unpredictable, do you still go to busy places?
*sigh*
yes i go to busy places
yes i use the path
yes other people are unpredictable.
but the fact remains, a tiger, crocodile or suchlike is far more likely to kill you for no reason than another person.
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