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Steve
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Originally posted by nova_gteuk
One thing about drugs is i really dont get why its illegal to take them??
its your body if you want to take them what's it do to with police/goverment. only reason i can think off is they cant tax it?
the end off the day if they spent money on educating people on how to take them,and supplying safe drugs,there would be less deaths and money spent.
this has got to be the dumbest thing posted on the net. Whos money do you think pays for the rehab clinics? whos money pays for the methodone when dribbling messes turn up addicted.
the govt. has a duty to ensure the well being of his country, it wouldn't be very responsible if they said it was legal.
you dont control drugs, the control you
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drunkenfool
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Originally posted by Steve
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Originally posted by nova_gteuk
One thing about drugs is i really dont get why its illegal to take them??
its your body if you want to take them what's it do to with police/goverment. only reason i can think off is they cant tax it?
the end off the day if they spent money on educating people on how to take them,and supplying safe drugs,there would be less deaths and money spent.
this has got to be the dumbest thing posted on the net. Whos money do you think pays for the rehab clinics? whos money pays for the methodone when dribbling messes turn up addicted.
the govt. has a duty to ensure the well being of his country, it wouldn't be very responsible if they said it was legal.
you dont control drugs, the control you
Heroin is legal in some countries, (maybe switzerland?), and is avaiable from doctors. It means the supply can be controlled, the users are taken off the streets, and their contact with dealers is taken away, which in turn means less people start using it as its a lot harder to come by on the streets, so no Steve, its not the dumbest thing ever said on the interent, it is quite a valid point but obviously has drawbacks.
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drunkenfool
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Originally posted by Steve
the govt. has a duty to ensure the well being of his country, it wouldn't be very responsible if they said it was legal.
Of course it does, and thats why proper drug education could be even more valuable than the laws that fuck you over if you do decide to experiment. Its glaringly obvious from looking at the number of people who regularly take recreational drugs that the "just say no" attitude is a huge failure, if the government wants to look after its people then it should concentrate on giving more informed drug education, not relying on bully-boy scare tactics based on lies and government funded studies (which all strangely enough seem to find what the government wants them to, and the opposite of what independent studies find - at least in the case of ecstacy).
I think to blanket all drugs under the label of 'drugs' without distinguising between them is quite irresponsible in itself, just the fact that alcohol is legal when its responsible for the deaths of thousands of people a year is very hypocritical if you ask me, but thats ok cos the government can tax it and get revenue off it 
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Steve
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you dont get why the govt. made it illegal to take drugs?
making it legal for use in medicine, is completely different to making it legal to buy and abuse
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drunkenfool
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Originally posted by Steve
you dont get why the govt. made it illegal to take drugs?
making it legal for use in medicine, is completely different to making it legal to buy and abuse
No, I dont get why alcohol is legal and 'drugs' are illegal, when alcohol is a drug just the same. Why is it you are allowed to poison your body, get drunk, start fights, cause criminal damage, and waste thousands of hours of police time every weekend using alcohol as your drug of choice, but you can go to prison for dropping a pill? Why is there such a huge difference between the two?
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Steve
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i dont fulyl agree with alcohol either, and dont drink much myself.
I would say the effects of alcohol are slightly less risky than drugs, its easy to od on pills or die from dehydration, but harder to kill yourself on alchohol
and needles are a whole different kettle of fish
[Edited on 25-07-2007 by Steve]
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Originally posted by Steve
you dont get why the govt. made it illegal to take drugs?
making it legal for use in medicine, is completely different to making it legal to buy and abuse
More people die of alchole abuse and smoking than any other drug.
But its ok because its nice and taxable..........
Its about peoples choice. As said, people fought for our freedom and right to choice. What choices do we have on most things? We have to adhear to everything. Hell, we even have to bow down to other countries religions when they come here (should be the other way round), but thats another topic completly.
Our government sucks, our country has never lost its identity in such a way as it has today.
The main problem is, if 3 people say..
I smoke weed
I drink beer
I take E'z
Automatically 80% of people will brand the 2 drug takers as low life scum. But the beer drinker is fine. Funny thing being that the beer is by far the worse drug out the 3, and will also result in the person takign them changing attitude completly, usually into an aggressive way.
The others won't do that at all, yet those people are the low lifes.........
Its just comical.
Same as recently, they are saying they've had loads of peopel coming in going mental after cannabis was re-classified to a C.....
DO they honestly think people started smoking becuase of this??? Millions of people smoke weed and have done for years, but all of a sudden (funny how all these people have come out so quickly??) theres this massive rush f people going scizo... I've been smoking over 6 years now... Im doing better at my job than I ever have??????
The press write it, most people believe it. Thats just the way it is. People with half a brain cell wouldn't read the papers and go to more factual places to find real information. Not rely on "the sun" for the latest real life news...
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Steve
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whats stopping govt. allowing people to buy e's and taxking them?
theres a difference
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Daimo B
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Originally posted by Steve
i dont fulyl agree with alcohol either, and dont drink much myself.
I would say the effects of alcohol are slightly less risky than drugs, its easy to od on pills or die from dehydration, but harder to kill yourself on alchohol
and needles are a whole different kettle of fish
[Edited on 25-07-2007 by Steve]
Eh?? That shows your knowledge..
How many people have gone out and died after a 1 night binge?
The chances of dying of dehydration are very low, esp after some people died a few years ago. If anything, people are more likley to die from drinking TOO much water than not enough.
Didn't some young-ens die a few months back after going out on a drinking binge?
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Originally posted by Steve
I would say the effects of alcohol are slightly less risky than drugs, its easy to od on pills or die from dehydration, but harder to kill yourself on alchohol
[Edited on 25-07-2007 by Steve]
I have to disagree with you there steve. If you want a more informed opinion then watch this documentary done by ABC in America, which was independent _not_ government funded.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-1564288654365150131&q=ecstacy+rising&total=14&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1
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Daimo B
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Originally posted by Steve
whats stopping govt. allowing people to buy e's and taxking them?
theres a difference
Eh?
The law? Of which the government can change.........
People don't do drugs if they don't want to, same as people don't drink. Its about choice, and the fact we can choose (more than just drugs, this applys to a lot of things) is being taken away.
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Steve
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Originally posted by VXR
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Originally posted by Steve
whats stopping govt. allowing people to buy e's and taxking them?
theres a difference
Eh?
The law? Of which the government can change.........
People don't do drugs if they don't want to, same as people don't drink. Its about choice, and the fact we can choose (more than just drugs, this applys to a lot of things) is being taken away.
yes i know the law is stopping them, i meant, whats stopping them changing the law.
drugs dont only affect the user, they are far more addictive than alcohol, and put a strain on society both socially and financially,
not saying alcohol doesnt, but drugs do far more aggressively
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so let me get this right, daimo and drunkenfool,
you think it would be perfectly ok for govt. to make it legal to buy and take e, smoke crack, and inject heroin?
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Daimo, thought you gave up weed? Cannabis has been around for thousands of years, yes, but habitual usage is much more common now than the off toke once in a while, and ive seen first hand how it has negatively effected heavy users, mainly with paranoia and depression, but one of my friends developed schizophrenia as a result.
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SAY NO TO DRUGS.....
FRANK KNOW'S BEST
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Originally posted by Steve
so let me get this right, daimo and drunkenfool,
you think it would be perfectly ok for govt. to make it legal to buy and take e, smoke crack, and inject heroin?
You are blanketing all drugs under the same category again though steve. If I was in charge then I would decriminalise ecstacy, yes, and make it available without having to go through dealers who probably have contaminated and more dangerous pills. As for Heroin and Crack, well, they aren't exactly recreational drugs are they? Theres overwhelming evidence as to the health and societal problems that they cause, largely due to their addictive nature and the crimes that come from people needing to feed their addiction, at which point the user's choice to take the drug is no longer just a personal choice as it effects everybody
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now your changing the story, first off you said its up to the person to take whatever they like, now your saying its not ok for the user to take whatever they want, only some of the less harmful stuff
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If I did say that its up to the person to take whatever they like, without taking into consideration the consequences to society as a whole, then i apologise as thats not what i meant to say. If its a personal choice that doesnt affect society though, then why should it be illegal? Heroin and crack are massivly addictive and cause people to turn to crime to feed their habbits, meaning that their decision to take those drugs is no longer just a personal choice, and to protect the majority of society then making it illegal is the best solution.
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Originally posted by Steve
now your changing the story, first off you said its up to the person to take whatever they like, now your saying its not ok for the user to take whatever they want, only some of the less harmful stuff
Would you give a child a toy gun, or a real gun?
Difference between mild and hardcore drugs.
DF - Yeah, gave it up for 3 months cold turkey. Changed a few things, but still enjoy a smoke again. Didn't want to give up forever, just needed a break. Didn't smoke anything at all for 3 months, then on my b-day, had a few, and had the major giggling fits. Still enjoy it, but i keep it under control a lot more. If im gonna do something at the weekend, won't have one till im home and done whatever. Don't take any out when im going out for the day etc...
tbh, most of my smoking is done during the weekday evening after a day at work. At the weekends i want to go out on my bike, sort the house out, go out etc, so you can't do green as you know once you smoke it, your not going anywhere, or doing anything for that day
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smoking weed isnt really what im on about, as that doest have such a negative effect on society, or the user.
its just a bit worse than drinking imo
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drunkenfool
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same with ecstacy. I really do suggest you watch that documentary I posted the link to Steve, im guessing as you have no personal experience with it, that it will be the first unbiased view you have seen, so it might be quite informative/
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Steve
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iv witnessed mates on e's quite a bit yes
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Tom
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Another good example of people thinking they know best about something they've never tried 
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Originally posted by Tom
Another good example of people thinking they know best about something they've never tried
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