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Ojc

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2nd Sep 09 at 11:06

PRAISE THE LORD

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/238591/vauxhall_astra_16_turbo.html

mwg

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2nd Sep 09 at 11:10

quote:
The dynamics have the level of sophistication found in a Golf

You dont rate the Golf so your not going to like it

mwg

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2nd Sep 09 at 11:11

Being serious though I do quite like the look of it

Andy Stocker

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2nd Sep 09 at 11:13

I don't like how the wing mirror is now mounted like the corsa's with the little window by the a pillar

FruitBooTeR

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2nd Sep 09 at 11:22

On sale late 2009.....when should we expect the VXR version? Summer 2010?

Ojc

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2nd Sep 09 at 11:25

2011.

I hate it when they compare it with a Golf, the Golf hasn't been any good since the Mk2, they need to drop this stupid comparison.

DaveyLC

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2nd Sep 09 at 11:29

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John Simister: All Astras up to now have had that cheap but adequate rear suspension known as a torsion beam, in which two flexibly mounted trailing arms are held together by a tough crossbeam whose resistance to twisting makes it act like an anti-roll bar. It’s cheap, light, space-efficient and can be made to work well, as hot Clios and Méganes best demonstrate. But setting it up to handle precisely calls for hard mounting bushes, which ruin the ride and transmit lots of noise. That’s where a Focus/Golf multi-link system scores, allowing more accurate geometry control with lower noise levels.

Sorry Mr Simister but you havent got a bloody clue what you are talking about lol!

I think somebody is mixing up Torsion Bar and Twist Beam rear suspension as a result of trying to sound clever

[Edited on 02-09-2009 by DaveyLC]

MarkM

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2nd Sep 09 at 11:30

Dont pugs have the torsion bar?

Fad

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2nd Sep 09 at 11:33

quote:
Originally posted by DaveyLC

quote:
John Simister: All Astras up to now have had that cheap but adequate rear suspension known as a torsion beam, in which two flexibly mounted trailing arms are held together by a tough crossbeam whose resistance to twisting makes it act like an anti-roll bar. It’s cheap, light, space-efficient and can be made to work well, as hot Clios and Méganes best demonstrate. But setting it up to handle precisely calls for hard mounting bushes, which ruin the ride and transmit lots of noise. That’s where a Focus/Golf multi-link system scores, allowing more accurate geometry control with lower noise levels.

Sorry Mr Simister but you havent got a bloody clue what you are talking about lol!

I think somebody is mixing up Torsion Bar and Twist Beam rear suspension as a result of trying to sound clever

[Edited on 02-09-2009 by DaveyLC]

You are wrong Torsion Beam and Torsion bar are two different things.

Clios and corsa and Astra vxr's have torsion beams

Saxo's and peugeots have torsion bars

DaveyLC

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2nd Sep 09 at 11:33

quote:
Originally posted by MarkM
Dont pugs have the torsion bar?

Yes which is NOTHING like what vauxhall use.

[Edited on 02-09-2009 by DaveyLC]

DaveyLC

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2nd Sep 09 at 11:36

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Originally posted by Fad
Clios and corsa and Astra vxr's have torsion beams

Its normally called Beam or Twist beam..

Torsion suspension is pre-loaded hence there is no coil spring.

Has the clio got rear coil springs? I thought it was the same as the Pug/Cit style Torsion Bar?

I know fuck all about french cars so I could be about to eat my words

[Edited on 02-09-2009 by DaveyLC]

Fad

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2nd Sep 09 at 11:38

Nope my 182 has a TORSION beam and so does a VXR Corsa aand Astra....I almost got owned on this point myself but read up on it before I posted

[Edited on 02-09-2009 by Fad]

VegasPhil

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2nd Sep 09 at 11:39

quote:
Originally posted by Ojc
I hate it when they compare it with a Golf, the Golf hasn't been any good since the Mk2, they need to drop this stupid comparison.

I do love the new Astra, Looks brilliant.

They are hardly going to drop that comparison are they. The Mk5 Golf was better than the Astra 5 in most trims anyway.

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DaveyLC

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2nd Sep 09 at 11:40

quote:
Originally posted by Fad
Nope my 182 has a TORSION beam and so does a VXR Corsa aand Astra....I almost got owned on this point myself but read up on it before I posted

[Edited on 02-09-2009 by Fad]

But the OLD astras all had Twist beam (rear coil springs) so how can the writter say all old astra's had Torsion Beam suspension?

Fad

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2nd Sep 09 at 11:45

I think its the same thing just different terminology.

All I know is that in the Clio 182/197 spec and also the Corsa VXR brochure its refered to as a Torsion beam which I have just googled with the words Astra and Corsa VXR and it came up in bold in each site.

Joe

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2nd Sep 09 at 11:47

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Originally posted by VegasPhil
The Mk5 Golf was better than the Astra 5 in most trims anyway.

Oh no you didn't!

Fad

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2nd Sep 09 at 11:51

Its ok Joe it a good thing you own a mk4 Golf

VegasPhil

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2nd Sep 09 at 11:54

quote:
Originally posted by Joe

quote:
Originally posted by VegasPhil
The Mk5 Golf was better than the Astra 5 in most trims anyway.

Oh no you didn't!

Yeh I did.

The new Astra looks fresher and better than the (Facelift Mk5) Mk6 Golf anyway. I'm hoping it will better it on release

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Fad

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2nd Sep 09 at 11:57

Essentially there will be little difference between the two

Astra owners will say there is the best and vice versa. It will just end up with the Golf being the market leader based on reputation and customer loyalty.

I'd go for the Golf as "generally" speaking they tend to be the more driver focused car.

[Edited on 02-09-2009 by Fad]

Ojc

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2nd Sep 09 at 12:05

Drive one Fad, it's rubbish.

As regards to this torsion beam, torsion bar discussion.

Corsa VXR has rear shocks with springs rather than the seperate shock and spring combo found on the Astra/Clio.

But all 3 have the torsion beam whatever you want to call it.

Fad

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2nd Sep 09 at 12:10

quote:
Originally posted by Ojc
Drive one Fad, it's rubbish.

Well I can't comment on the mk6, but cannot imagine it drives any worse than the mk5 which I thought was great....i'd buy a mk5 without hesitation despite the power deficit.

Its all horses for courses and what you prefer at the end of the day. Everyone buys a car to suit them not what others think.

DaveyLC

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2nd Sep 09 at 12:18

This is what Pug's/Cit's have:

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A torsion bar suspension, also known as a torsion spring suspension or incorrectly torsion beam

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torsion_bar_suspension

This is what Astra's had:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twist-beam_rear_suspension

sand-eel

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2nd Sep 09 at 12:25

TBH torsion beam and bar are both crap and no car should have them.

Ojc

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2nd Sep 09 at 12:59

Yes, every car should be RWD.

sand-eel

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2nd Sep 09 at 13:05

indeed

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