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Originally posted by Redline mag

I tell you what's annoyed me this month, and that's owners of non-turbo cars. No, im not singling them all out in some Nazi-style condemnation, just the ones who are fanatical and think N/A engines are the best things ever.

There are some amazing N/A engines, but when an owner says their car will be miles faster with the same power as the equivalent turbo engine, as they have no lag, I want to punch them square in the face in fustration.
Granted most 200bhp turbo 2ltr cars dont produce much power below 3000rpm due to the turbo not spooling up, an issue N/A cars done have.....but where does a 200bhp 2ltr N/A car get really powerfull?

Normally 6000rpm+ by which time the equivalent turbo car has come on boost and buggered off down the road. It doesnt have to be the same size engines either, owners of larger but not hugely powerful N/A engines often seem to think they will have accelerated in to the sunset by the time the smaller but far more powerful turbo car comes on boost.

Im never sure if its sour grapes, or just an incorrect assumption as they have never driven a powerful turbocharged car, but it still gets on my tits. I habe nothing against them, and they do have some serious advantages, but some people are in a dream world when it comes to the turbo versus N/A argument

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Originally posted by Jas
my 2.0 would eat your 1.6 too

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Originally posted by Neo

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Originally posted by Jas
my 2.0 would eat your 1.6 too

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...his was a standard astra

mines sat at 172 and 270lb...but he kept insisting it didnt matter because his engine was bigger

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Originally posted by Neo
hdi vts after playing with the engine

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Originally posted by Nath
Turbo, but then I've never driven a high powered N/A

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Originally posted by Jas
sorry 62 they're 110 not 109

but in all seriousness they don't put out much than 130bhp with a remap so you'd need big money to get it to 172 lol

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Originally posted by richc

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Originally posted by Jas
sorry 62 they're 110 not 109

but in all seriousness they don't put out much than 130bhp with a remap so you'd need big money to get it to 172 lol

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Plus the hdi engines are designed to run very low pressure compaired to other diesel arnt they

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Originally posted by GSi_16v
Id still like to know were a high reving engine with a positive displacement supercharger or a big lazy engine with a centrifugal type supercharger fits in. No lag and boost...

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