sampayne21
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right been offered a really good deal at the end of the summer of a 56 plate astra vxr.
any pros and cons of living with one everyday?
at the moment im using my corsa c20let everyday but would either use that as a weekend car or sell it.
power wise i not sure what would be faster the astra or my current corsa corsa is about (250bhp)
first plan would be a remap on the astra
what are peoples thoughts on them.
thanks sam
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Nick-S
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A 250bhp let corsa will eat a vxr all day everyday.
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johnhara1
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IMO, It'll be alot more reliable, comfortable and probably affordable to run as a day to day than your LET Corsa.
But.....The Astra will feels much slower than your Corsa and i cant help but think if it was me be utterly disappointed going from the LET. (This is just because i love the fun factor)
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FruitBooTeR
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Keep both and drive to work in the comfort of a VXR then bring out the beast at weekends and in good weather 
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ajscorsa
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mate has a VXR nurb and its immense! just been rolling roaded at 297 with 305 tourques.
first thing to do if you get a vxr is the remus exhaust!!
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sampayne21
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thanks for the advice people, il only keep both if i can insure them both at a reasonable price
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Daimo B
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There isn't as much as people are thinking/claiming there is.
The corsa LET is quicker between 50-120, and a phase 2 would have more of an advantage above 120 also.
But throw a Stage 2 (similar power to stage 2 LET) against one, and there won't be much in it at all.
Weight doesn't come into paly at higher speeds. So whilst the corsa will have slightly better in gear performance around 40-100, off the line the Astra will have it due to putting the power down much much better. The corsa then would pull a little, but above 100 there would be nothing in it. But one would feel far superiour to the other in every way.
Also, our astras done nearly 40k without missing a beat. Tell me of any LET corsa thats done half that milage without any problems whatsoever 
Besides, 160 in the astra feels smooth, refined, safe, and very fast.
140 in the corsa, your sweating, the stearing wheels a little frisky, the front end feels a little light.
I know what i'd rather have, and we've got a LET corsa and a VXR. Whilst the LET corsa is fun and exciting, the astra is also fun and exciting in a different way.
The astra will also make it round a bend in the wet............
Personnally, the astra, and thats having both in our household.
So, owning both? No point? I'd rather have a VXR for the road, and if you really really want to keep a corsa, go for a 2.0 16v for track slagness...... (or just use the astra, sell the corsa, and use the funds to get 4 pots, ARB, stage 3 (around 270-300bhp), and a few fancy bits.
Better to use a far superiour chassis to start with than using a 15 year old shell that will have a few rust spots starting to show with age
Funnily enough, said Astra is always in your location, even the corsa has been to the girlies work. And you must be a god round sidcup with all the chavvy homies bombing round with lexarse lights and 1.0 engines with cherry bomb exhausts in their corsas (you must know what i mean  )
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ajscorsa
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Daimo is your VXR standard or has it been played with?
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Daimo B
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Totally standard 
Not allowed to play with this one as missy needs it to go to clients.
Not the best impression turning up with a pop banging roaring exhaust
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FlamingCorsa
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quote:
Originally posted by VXR
There isn't as much as people are thinking/claiming there is.
The corsa LET is quicker between 50-120, and a phase 2 would have more of an advantage above 120 also.
But throw a Stage 2 (similar power to stage 2 LET) against one, and there won't be much in it at all.
Weight doesn't come into paly at higher speeds. So whilst the corsa will have slightly better in gear performance around 40-100, off the line the Astra will have it due to putting the power down much much better. The corsa then would pull a little, but above 100 there would be nothing in it. But one would feel far superiour to the other in every way.
Also, our astras done nearly 40k without missing a beat. Tell me of any LET corsa thats done half that milage without any problems whatsoever
Besides, 160 in the astra feels smooth, refined, safe, and very fast.
140 in the corsa, your sweating, the stearing wheels a little frisky, the front end feels a little light.
I know what i'd rather have, and we've got a LET corsa and a VXR. Whilst the LET corsa is fun and exciting, the astra is also fun and exciting in a different way.
The astra will also make it round a bend in the wet............
Personnally, the astra, and thats having both in our household.
So, owning both? No point? I'd rather have a VXR for the road, and if you really really want to keep a corsa, go for a 2.0 16v for track slagness...... (or just use the astra, sell the corsa, and use the funds to get 4 pots, ARB, stage 3 (around 270-300bhp), and a few fancy bits.
Better to use a far superiour chassis to start with than using a 15 year old shell that will have a few rust spots starting to show with age
Funnily enough, said Astra is always in your location, even the corsa has been to the girlies work. And you must be a god round sidcup with all the chavvy homies bombing round with lexarse lights and 1.0 engines with cherry bomb exhausts in their corsas (you must know what i mean )
c i think weight makes big difference all over the place!
as u know i have teh astra mk4 van with 281hp stage 4 tuned z20let at 1100kg
and the vx220 which is 291bhp stage 4 tuned z20let and bout 930kgs!
and i know the vx220 is rear wheel drive but the difference is supprising, less then 200kg and the van feels slow in comparrision!
i am talking from say 80-120 i bet there is seconds in it! the van just does not pull same as the vx, its lighter so power seems far more instant in vx220!
i feel this will be the same in the corsa compared to the vxr! the vxr weighs bout 1400kgs+ so gotta be looking at 400+ kgs more than corsa!
so power to weight =
standard VXR = around 170
corsa saying weight is 1 tone = 250
thats a big difference! to get same power to weight u will need vxr with ........350bhp! and big brakes etc!
but u cant really compare them, i am HUGE fan of z20 lel and leh engines they are great! alot smoother then c20 lets and alot more relaible in my opinion!
thats just my view for all that matters, i will have to get video of the vx220 again the van and c the difference!
[Edited on 10-02-2009 by FlamingCorsa]
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Daimo B
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A 291bhp VX220 RWD is not the same as a Corsa FWD.
The only point the VX220's would pull on the astra is bottom end. 50+ the astra would sit on them and eaily overtake around 100mph. With real ease!!! (this is in standard format).
A phase 2 VXR is good for around 20 car lenghts over 1km straight over a standard VXR.
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FlamingCorsa
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in standard format i can vouch that at motorway speeds and above the vx220 was still faster then vxr!
few year back when i had the yellow vx220! vxr tried to get past me 3-4 times on motorway each till i let he get along side and put foot down!
vxr had 40hp more but also extra half a tone!
lets think 40hp or extra half tone, which would be faster???
power to weight of standard vxr = 170
standard vx220 = 215bhp
anyway we are getting off teh subject here sorry!
my only issue with the vrx is it sooo heavy! and making one fast it always has that prob!
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ajscorsa
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quote:
Originally posted by FlamingCorsa
in standard format i can vouch that at motorway speeds and above the vx220 was still faster then vxr!
few year back when i had the yellow vx220! vxr tried to get past me 3-4 times on motorway each till i let he get along side and put foot down!
vxr had 40hp more but also extra half a tone!
lets think 40hp or extra half tone, which would be faster???
power to weight of standard vxr = 170
standard vx220 = 215bhp
anyway we are getting off teh subject here sorry!
my only issue with the vrx is it sooo heavy! and making one fast it always has that prob!
my mates vxr nurb is fast, it seen off a vx220 one o the local lads has too, along with pushing a 350bhp focus st along the road lol
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Daimo B
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Originally posted by FlamingCorsa
in standard format i can vouch that at motorway speeds and above the vx220 was still faster then vxr!
few year back when i had the yellow vx220! vxr tried to get past me 3-4 times on motorway each till i let he get along side and put foot down!
vxr had 40hp more but also extra half a tone!
lets think 40hp or extra half tone, which would be faster???
power to weight of standard vxr = 170
standard vx220 = 215bhp
anyway we are getting off teh subject here sorry!
my only issue with the vrx is it sooo heavy! and making one fast it always has that prob!
No its not
the VX220 is as areodynamic as a brick. It is NOT faster than a VXR im afraid. Had enough plays with a VX220 and VXR track day down revvit straight. VX220's (Turbo) got out the corners much much faster. By the end of the straights (before braking zones for them) I was sat right up their asses again, show on videos on my youtube chasing 220's.
And i've already said, weight does not mean anything at higher speeds. All about power and areodynamics.
VX220 = Brick + LESS power than a VXR (by 40bhp odd).
VXR = More areodynamic, more power = higher top speed, and in gear speeds at top end.
Having a race with 1 VXR, isn't the same as having a race against about 15 of the buggers over one day, and loosing them out of the bends, and catching them up again. The NA 220's, not even worth considering in terms of speeds agains the VXR.
The VX220 really isn't that fast at 100 odd speeds. The way your describing it is as if he caught up, you put your foot down and pulled away.
Not gonna happen, at all sorry.
And a VXR with Unleaded would be lucky to make 220bhp.
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big eck
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quote:
Originally posted by ajscorsa
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Originally posted by FlamingCorsa
in standard format i can vouch that at motorway speeds and above the vx220 was still faster then vxr!
few year back when i had the yellow vx220! vxr tried to get past me 3-4 times on motorway each till i let he get along side and put foot down!
vxr had 40hp more but also extra half a tone!
lets think 40hp or extra half tone, which would be faster???
power to weight of standard vxr = 170
standard vx220 = 215bhp
anyway we are getting off teh subject here sorry!
my only issue with the vrx is it sooo heavy! and making one fast it always has that prob!
my mates vxr nurb is fast, it seen off a vx220 one o the local lads has too, along with pushing a 350bhp focus st along the road lol
A lad up my way has a burg edition VXR which he aint shy in giving it stick, fair dues it sounds the bollocks and looks superb BUT it isnt any quicker than my mates mapped Ibiza diesel FACT
I must admit I love the looks of the standard VXR and wouldnt say no to one if I hadnt bought the LCR but they were still to expensive at the time
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mattk
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is speed everything thought
Nice new comfy clean astra vs an old rattly corsa with the engine out of a caviler in it 
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Paul_J
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quote:
Originally posted by GSi_16v
A 250bhp let corsa will eat a vxr all day everyday.
straight line maybe? on track debatable?
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CORSA NUT
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VXR's are quick motors..even when my scooby was running 320 one caught me out one day..mind you when i hit peak boost he soon got left behind.
If i had that sort of money i'd be after a Focus ST though..better engine which is easier/cheaper to mod and when i drove one it felt more planted than any scooby i've ever driven.
The indicators would piss me off in the VXR though Mind you in Arden blue they do look VERY nice 
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alan-g-w
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Daimo, are you saying that a VXR is as fast as a VX220 round a track? Or just that it can catch up on them on long straights.
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Stu
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Its very difficult on public roads these days to REALLY push a car hard! In the real world you need much more power to see a difference! 20-30bhp here and there with the odd few kilos wont even be noticed! Do people really think cars like Evos and Scoobs can be pushed to their limits round the local roundabout? Nope.....thats why Corsas and the like can "keep up"
Get them on a track with a good driver and then you will see a difference.......but then how many days a year do we get to do trackdays so what does that really matter? Get a car that makes you smile and you will forget all about the willy waving!!!
Myself Id rather have the VXR now.........a few years ago I would have said the Corsa but drive the VXR and you will know what I mean!
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ShEp
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Originally posted by johnhara1
IMO, It'll be alot more reliable, comfortable and probably affordable to run as a day to day than your LET Corsa.
But.....The Astra will feels much slower than your Corsa and i cant help but think if it was me be utterly disappointed going from the LET. (This is just because i love the fun factor)
I had no bother with my corsa let
my astra on the other hand.....
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Paul_J
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Originally posted by alan-g-w
Daimo, are you saying that a VXR is as fast as a VX220 round a track? Or just that it can catch up on them on long straights.
which one? Vx220 n/a or Turbo?
I have no doubts that a Astra VXR could beat a VX220 N/A round a track.
People believe RWD is the be all and end all.
A well driven FWD (especially if it has a LSD) can be more than a equal competition for a RWD car (especially if the RWD car isn't driven brilliantly).
Here's a perfect example...
Caterham (light weight, RWD, good handling)
vs
Megan R26R ... FWD 
Power to weight would suggest it should be fairly equal and people would believe the RWD would win as 'surely' it's a better handling car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtAZN_bBOjY
Bam.
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Jambo
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DaNnY_LaD
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Ive eaten a phase 2 astra Nurb Edition in my ibiza....
Got me off the line but 2nd gear on boost it was game over....
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ajscorsa
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quote:
Originally posted by big eck
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Originally posted by ajscorsa
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Originally posted by FlamingCorsa
in standard format i can vouch that at motorway speeds and above the vx220 was still faster then vxr!
few year back when i had the yellow vx220! vxr tried to get past me 3-4 times on motorway each till i let he get along side and put foot down!
vxr had 40hp more but also extra half a tone!
lets think 40hp or extra half tone, which would be faster???
power to weight of standard vxr = 170
standard vx220 = 215bhp
anyway we are getting off teh subject here sorry!
my only issue with the vrx is it sooo heavy! and making one fast it always has that prob!
my mates vxr nurb is fast, it seen off a vx220 one o the local lads has too, along with pushing a 350bhp focus st along the road lol
A lad up my way has a burg edition VXR which he aint shy in giving it stick, fair dues it sounds the bollocks and looks superb BUT it isnt any quicker than my mates mapped Ibiza diesel FACT
I must admit I love the looks of the standard VXR and wouldnt say no to one if I hadnt bought the LCR but they were still to expensive at the time
barrys is 297 bhp with 305 pun of torque it goes very well
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