Robin
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Registered: 7th Jan 04
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Can you honestly think of any drawbacks?
I mean anything sort of 2000 on really, with a decent engine, not some crappy 1.5td isuzu thing.
The only thing I can think of which frustrates me a little is the fact that it won't rev how I want it to. Even another 500rpm would be enough, everything else is bang on.
Would you go back to petrol for a daily drive now?
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Ian
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Registered: 28th Aug 99
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Depending how you drive, it may work out not much cheaper. The fuel is more expensive and you need to consider your driving style to make the best savings. Particularly if the cars are more expensive. TD4 Freelanders make 30% more than petrol models. Similar figures for other bigger 4x4. Not sure how saloons compare.
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Andrew
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This is going to be an intresting read. Niceone Robin 
I'm looking at diesel as i hear good stories about them. Love how they keep pulling on hills too. The Belingo we have at work just will not die either 
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whitter45
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rev range thats all I miss
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Robin
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quote:
Originally posted by Ian
Depending how you drive, it may work out not much cheaper. The fuel is more expensive and you need to consider your driving style to make the best savings. Particularly if the cars are more expensive. TD4 Freelanders make 30% more than petrol models. Similar figures for other bigger 4x4. Not sure how saloons compare.
Mine (on finance from a car megastore place  ) was no more expensive than the petrol variant, but drove a lot better.
The fuel is more expensive, but the worst I've seen (driving with my foot on the floor all the time like a muppet) is 37.1mpg or something, it'll do well over 55 on a run.
Buying new, there's obviously a premium over petrol cars still, but I'm starting to think that it might be worth it, not that I'd buy a new car.
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Robin
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Oh, and the fuel economy and midrange performance increased with a remap, which was nice.
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mattk
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Il never have a petrol car again unless im lucky enough to be in a position where there isnt a diesel variant in the range
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Fraser Young
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I did love my diesel.
The only thing I could say I ever had reason to be derogatory was the noise it made, which was far from important to me.
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Gareth
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No drawbacks as the octavia is a company car so its all good.
But putting that aside, revs dead at 4.5k even after a revo it still felt slow.
Sounds crap and drinks oil.
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Joe
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From just working on them, not owning one. I don't like the lack of rev range, repair bills can be horrendous, stuff like Dual mass flywheels, diesel pumps can easy be £1000 to fix. That kind cancels out the money saved on fuel, not that petrols are problem free but these seem to be common issues on newish diesels.
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Colin
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I like mine, nothing bothers me about it, however im changing my next car back to petrol on the basis i'll be doing 1/4 the mileage of the last couple years!!
Petrols a good bit cheaper (10p/L) so running a diesel only makes sense if you do 15k+ a year imo!!
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mattk
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when did deisels become "good" I was wondering this before
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Robin
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When VW launched the 1.9 TDI PD.
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mattk
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and whats so different between modern diesels and old diesels? I know old ones are mechanical and thats about it
and also why do Turbos compliment diesels so well,
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Joe
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Because without a turbo, diesels would be flat as a fart.
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Robin
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Because of the way diesels work (compression ignition) it's a simple case of more fuel + more air = more power, turbos are the easiest way to acheive this. It's not so simple with a petrol engine as you have to worry about pre-ignition, which is sort of how a diesel engine works anyway, nearly.
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Theham85
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I hear a lot of good things about the BMW diesel range, torquey, rapid and good on fuel (still prefer the sound of petrol cars, bar 1.0 corsas)
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Robin
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The 6 cylinder diesels sound half decent.
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Warren G
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v6 vectra diesel sounds the nuts on boost, on idle it sounds like a tractor!
personaly i think there great, id have one anyday over a petrol
just as tuneable, if not more!
only realy driven the 1.9cdti's (fiat engine)
and the remapped one! torque!! jeeze
only thing they lack is fun factor, ie dont rev high, the remapped on pulled to 4,500rpm a massive improvement!
its nothing, wheel spin, traction control, dead, boost, change gear!
well thats first anyway!
and with so much torque, they can eat things! including tyres!
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Theham85
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quote:
Originally posted by Robin
The 6 cylinder diesels sound half decent.
Aye the 330d sounds pretty good actually
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Scotty C
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I would comment, but I have a ''crappy'' engine 
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John
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I'm going diesel again next I think.
I like the lazy driving style and I don't mind the noise that people complain about tbh.
I like the fact that the majority of them get loads of extra power with a relatively cheap remap.
I fancy one of they 335d's after seeing mainly dxb335d's one.
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davcohen
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When i had a Mondeo TDCI130 as a rental i was amazed at how well it went and the fact that a massive car like that achieved 40mpg on average without trying was great. perfect for motorways
downsides as mentioned dies at a certain RPM not that great off the mark but if your moving from like 30mph and plant it they dont hang around.
either way i really enjoyed it and would deff buy one im sure something like the STI TDCI model would be pretty decent as its got another 25bhp and i think is a 2.2 over the 2.0 i had
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SVM 286
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New diesels are dearer than new petrols? 
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SVM 286
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quote:
Originally posted by Joe
From just working on them, not owning one. I don't like the lack of rev range, repair bills can be horrendous, stuff like Dual mass flywheels, diesel pumps can easy be £1000 to fix. That kind cancels out the money saved on fuel, not that petrols are problem free but these seem to be common issues on newish diesels.
Spot on, in my experience Joe.
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