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flybikeslee

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29th Oct 08 at 21:46

are you telling me a car with 130ft-lbf and 180bhp for example would be quicker than something with 405.7 lb-ft and 154bhp.....

theres more to it than just torque

*not aimed at deano by the way"

CorsAsh

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29th Oct 08 at 21:49

Depends on the circuit. One with lots of tight corners will be great for a torquey car, long straights and high speeds will be the bhp car's strength.

And then of course, you have the drivers.

CorsAsh

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29th Oct 08 at 21:52

Case in point:

http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/oil-baron

flybikeslee

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29th Oct 08 at 21:53

the specs i got the 400lb-ft and 154bhp was from this

and the other my silver civic

power to weight, suspension set up, brakes, so many variables involved

CorsAsh

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29th Oct 08 at 21:54

Not to mention gearing in your examples. Not a fair comparison.

Sean-B

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29th Oct 08 at 21:55

the tractor would kill you in the twistys. END

Ian_GTI

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29th Oct 08 at 21:55

set up right the tractor would take it no doubts

Kurt

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29th Oct 08 at 21:55

Slightly off topic... what would happen if you put a smaller rear wheel on the rear off a tractor?

[Edited on 29-10-2008 by Kurt]

Colin

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29th Oct 08 at 21:55

You cant compare a car Vs a tractor!! Its not engineered to win races

Joe

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29th Oct 08 at 21:56

That blue Ford looks like a right Tractor, needs lowering.

John

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29th Oct 08 at 21:58

Torque FTW

Joe

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29th Oct 08 at 21:59

quote:
Originally posted by Colin
You cant compare a car Vs a tractor!! Its not engineered to win races

Would win a Tractor pulling race

Colin

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29th Oct 08 at 22:00

What about a TDi with 130bhp & 228ftlb, possibly on an upward gradiant?

deano87

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29th Oct 08 at 22:00

Doesn't BHP count for off the line, and torque count for when moving i.e. they say a 1.6TDCi Zetec S Fiesta is a better drive on the motorway than a 2.0 ST.

mattk

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29th Oct 08 at 22:05

Fiesta St`s are do-able in my car, the ford has 150 brake and mine has 130 i think its a safe bet the Fiesta is lighter too

diesels dont work off the lights because of the small rev range

[Edited on 29-10-2008 by mattk]

Kurt

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29th Oct 08 at 22:07

The grande is the largest in its class iirc..

daymoon

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29th Oct 08 at 22:08

i always thought bhp = top speed
torque = acceleration..

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29th Oct 08 at 22:13

That's a silly example.

RCS

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29th Oct 08 at 22:24

quote:
Originally posted by flybikeslee
are you telling me a car with 130ft-lbf and 180bhp for example would be quicker than something with 405.7 lb-ft and 154bhp.....

theres more to it than just torque

*not aimed at deano by the way"

Engine Speed.

BHP = Torque x RPM / 5252

mattk

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29th Oct 08 at 22:27

is BHP how quickly the engine can produce the torque then?

micra_pete

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29th Oct 08 at 22:30

fuck, its that a tw25?
4wd, aircon, 16speed, good for 2200rpm
spaf

sand-eel

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29th Oct 08 at 23:13

if the tractor weighed the same as your civic and had the same wheels it would win (in a straight line)

sand-eel

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29th Oct 08 at 23:15

and a longer ratio gearbox

Ojc

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29th Oct 08 at 23:15

quote:
Originally posted by deano87
Doesn't BHP count for off the line, and torque count for when moving i.e. they say a 1.6TDCi Zetec S Fiesta is a better drive on the motorway than a 2.0 ST.

I would say that would be down to the TDCi feeling faster due to the punchy turbo.

John

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29th Oct 08 at 23:17

It'll be because the diesel sits at low revs crusing along the motorway and thepetrol probably doesn't as opposed to being faster.

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