podgeworth
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anyone take music tech in uni?
what ya doing now?
if there is someone lol
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Laney
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I got a 2:1 in Music Practice.
My advice to any potential Music degree people is that unless you want to teach, forget doing a degree.
Get a job, buy your equipment and learn to use it yourself rather than go to Uni to fanny around for 3 years.
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Huwsi
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^^^^
What that says. I'm doing a degree in music at the moment and have just finished my first year
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jacko198
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Im at Sae (School of audio engineering) at the moment, in my 1st year doing a diploma, then next year i go to the oxford SAE to do the degree year
I would seriously recomend it.
www.sae.org
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Corsa93
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quote:
Originally posted by jacko198
Im at Sae (School of audio engineering) at the moment, in my 1st year doing a diploma, then next year i go to the oxford SAE to do the degree year
I would seriously recomend it.
www.sae.org
Cool mate. Im doing a music production HND at the moment and going on to do a course at SAE really interests me.
Can you give me an insight? Its obviously expensive, does a student loan cover the intial cost? do you travel into london for the course?
have any music youre involved in we can take a listen to?
cheers
edd
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will_ainsworth
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at the moment im doing sound eng and music tech at dbs - deepbluesound. great equiptment prob best in the country, lovely neve 57 series desks ... and lots of protools shizzle! but im only doing the btec, and was planning on doing the degree but its really not worth it, your leave 9000 quid lighter and wont find a good job unless your very lucky, but it will prob be shite pay anyway!! your best to look into things such as bbc to see if theres any work experience and go from there.... most people like experience so u need the job etc.... ojt is prob the way to go tbh
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jacko198
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quote:
Originally posted by Corsa93
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Originally posted by jacko198
Im at Sae (School of audio engineering) at the moment, in my 1st year doing a diploma, then next year i go to the oxford SAE to do the degree year
I would seriously recomend it.
www.sae.org
Cool mate. Im doing a music production HND at the moment and going on to do a course at SAE really interests me.
Can you give me an insight? Its obviously expensive, does a student loan cover the intial cost? do you travel into london for the course?
have any music youre involved in we can take a listen to?
cheers
edd
Well I go to the sae in liverpool, which costs £6300 for the diploma year. To do the diploma in london, is arround £10,000 i think
Then the degree year is £13,000 at SAE oxford (or london)
The oxford one has just been built, is it a huge hospital that now has arround 30 recording/ post preduction studios, with all top of the line equipment
Sae oxford
To be honest, i think it is well worth the £. It is the largest sound engineering school arround, and has 50 arround the world. And Sae certificated are extremely sought after!
If you can, go to an open day, its well worth a tour, as soon as i went, i wanted to sign up!
And send off for a brochure on the website
Heres a pic of 2 of the liverpool studios:-
Neve Vr legend
Digidesign Control 24, with 5.1 surround sound
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will_ainsworth
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Digidesign Control 24, with 5.1 surround sound
but there using blue sky stuff  lol nah its not bad! we have some at my college... but my fave ive used are genelecs 1038b's
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Corsa93
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at northampton we have a nice Soundcraft Ghost desk with some genelecs
we'll have the Digidesign C24 by the time I get back though. cant wait!!
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deano87
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The only thing I'd think of doing music orientated is some kind of production course, so you can end up working in TV etc, much more opportunity I'd have said to make a career, if you get the lucky break.
Mind you, being a teacher isn't too bad and you get a 6 week jolly in the summer 
[Edited on 05-06-2008 by deano87]
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Laney
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quote:
Originally posted by jacko198
Well I go to the sae in liverpool, which costs £6300 for the diploma year. To do the diploma in london, is arround £10,000 i think
Then the degree year is £13,000 at SAE oxford (or london)
I'd rather spend £29.3k on equipment and teach myself.
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Kurt
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I did music tech in college..
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jacko198
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quote:
Originally posted by Laney
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Originally posted by jacko198
Well I go to the sae in liverpool, which costs £6300 for the diploma year. To do the diploma in london, is arround £10,000 i think
Then the degree year is £13,000 at SAE oxford (or london)
I'd rather spend £29.3k on equipment and teach myself.
I know what you mean, but £29.3k will not buy you the experience you need to make it in this industry
Our largest studio cost well over £150,000
With our cheepest being arround £50,000
Its a hell of alot of money!
The cheepest bet would be to get an "aprenticeship" kinda thing, just basically, make tea, be an assistant, and you will learn a hell of alot depending on what studio it is
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deano87
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A University background whilst vital, is not the only thing that'll get you the job.
To anyone thinking of starting a degree etc, is do as much work experience as you can. If it means you have to work for free, then do it.
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Laney
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Originally posted by jacko198
I know what you mean, but £29.3k will not buy you the experience you need to make it in this industry.
Yes it would. Stop thinking theres a shortcut or an easy way into a cut-throat industry cause there really isn't! If you want to work in a successful studio build your own and make a name for yourself!
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jacko198
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With £29k you would not be able to build a studio that great. You could buy the equipment yes, but the acoustic treatment etc would cost tonnes.
For me, being 19. The chance to get a degree in 2 years (1st year diploma, 2nd year degree) is a very good oportunity.
This place teaches you everything you need to know. For £6,000 for the diploma year, you get the chance to work in a professional standard recording stuido's. You learn everything you need to know.
And could go into a job in a recording studio straight after you finnish. The degree is optional, and will teach you more about the buisiness side etc etc
For £6000, You could not even buy a console!
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Dom
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To be honest, doing a degree or even doing an SAE/SAC course means fuck all - doesn't matter if you're playing with top end protools HD systems or using a 128 channel console, what you know means naff all in the media business.
It's all about who you know!
Speaking to a load of engineers and producers, and they have all said the same. Qualifications means very little, unless you're planning to teach - they want to see real world experience (which degrees and SAE courses do not give you).
To be honest, the music industry is a shit business, you WILL start as the tea boy and that's if you're lucky enough to find a place to employe you. You will work long hours being the dogs body for nothing or for minimum wage. If the sunshines out of your arse and someone is kind enough to give you a break then it's a steep hill upwards getting your name out. And if you become god's gift to engineering/mastering/producing, then you might see the cash. Otherwise, your on similar cash to a retail store manager!
And to everyone shaking their i-use-this-piece-of-top-end-music-equipment wang around - it's pointless in being only able to get good results out of top end equipment, you need to the knowledge and mostly importantly, SKILL, of getting the best possible results out of shite equipment.
[Edited on 05-06-2008 by Dom]
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jacko198
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Yeah i agree, It is who you know alot of the time. But courses like this help to speed up the process, as people are more likely to hire someone who knows how to use anything from a behringer euro desk, to a mackie d8b, to a control 24, to a neve vr legend, pro tools LE and HD, reason and logic etc etc Than someone who doesnt know anything about it.
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Laney
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quote:
Originally posted by Dom
To be honest, doing a degree or even doing an SAE/SAC course means fuck all - doesn't matter if you're playing with top end protools HD systems or using a 128 channel console, what you know means naff all in the media business.
It's all about who you know!
Speaking to a load of engineers and producers, and they have all said the same. Qualifications means very little, unless you're planning to teach - they want to see real world experience (which degrees and SAE courses do not give you).
To be honest, the music industry is a shit business, you WILL start as the tea boy and that's if you're lucky enough to find a place to employe you. You will work long hours being the dogs body for nothing or for minimum wage. If the sunshines out of your arse and someone is kind enough to give you a break then it's a steep hill upwards getting your name out. And if you become god's gift to engineering/mastering/producing, then you might see the cash. Otherwise, your on similar cash to a retail store manager!
And to everyone shaking their i-use-this-piece-of-top-end-music-equipment wang around - it's pointless in being only able to get good results out of top end equipment, you need to the knowledge and mostly importantly, SKILL, of getting the best possible results out of shite equipment.
[Edited on 05-06-2008 by Dom]
Sense has been spoken. Too many dreamers out there!
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Laney
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quote:
Originally posted by jacko198
And could go into a job in a recording studio straight after you finnish.
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podgeworth
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cheers people for the comments 
im not nesseserly going to uni for experiance in a studio
i want to go to uni to get the qualifications i need to teach music or even community projects
but the sae sounds mint 
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jacko198
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Originally posted by Laney
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Originally posted by jacko198
And could go into a job in a recording studio straight after you finnish.
 Dont see anything funny there mate?
Fact is, i know how to use professional equipment, to get the best results, i know how a reverb works, i know how compression works, i know the different micing techniques (alan blumlein, x,y etc), i can use pro tools to a high standard, i can use logic, reason, re-cycle etc, i can use allllll different outboard equipment
And apart from will, who else on here has used a top of the line neve console?
Imo, £6,300 for that is a fucking good price, especaily seeing as a normal uni course is about £5,000 for the year! And what the hell do you do there?! Turn up to lectures, listen to people talking, and take notes! (depending on the course!)
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Corsa93
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The benefit I see to staying in education is clearly the use of high end equipment. With my course we get a lot of hours to use the equipment as we please and I have heard of institutes that have 24 hour access (does SAE?). Basically if you worked out how much it would cost to use those facilities yourself by either buying the equipment or buying studio time there is no comparison.
Im planning to be in education studying music production for probably 4 years and I am more than happy with that. I have finished one of those years and I plan to have a steady income from music by the time I start my second year. If all goes to plan and I can keep up with the work load I can earn about 2 thirds of what I was earning working full time before uni.
in my opinion thats not bad. I started uni at 21 and gave up a bpretty good job to persue my dream. i have no choice other than to be confident and optimistic
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Paul_J
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I do find it a bit of a joke that school's these days try to push EVERYONE into degree's.
There's too many people imo just doing degree's 'for the fun of it' / 'because it's something i enjoy'.
Where in theory the whole point of a degree is to get a qualification that'll help you get a job.
Not necisarily aimed at people in this thread, but i'm surrounded by morons at uni which are doing doss courses with no actual use in career / they believe will be useful but arn't.
Most that have graduated since, are unemployed or going back to their part time employment in halfords or whatever.
Kinda think, hmm... apart from the piss up... what was the point of you doing a degree?
I agree with deano 100% ... experience = worth a LOT! Most companies will take experience over a degree and also I agree with Deano that the music / tv industry / media industry in general is very much 'who you know', not 'what you know' unfortunately.
It's a hard job to get into and you have to start at the bottom and get treated like shit for years to get your break (if not at all).
I'd go learn how to do some plumbing, so if this all falls through you can at least earn a decent wage!
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Corsa93
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul_J
I do find it a bit of a joke that school's these days try to push EVERYONE into degree's.
There's too many people imo just doing degree's 'for the fun of it' / 'because it's something i enjoy'.
Where in theory the whole point of a degree is to get a qualification that'll help you get a job.
Not necisarily aimed at people in this thread, but i'm surrounded by morons at uni which are doing doss courses with no actual use in career / they believe will be useful but arn't.
Most that have graduated since, are unemployed or going back to their part time employment in halfords or whatever.
Kinda think, hmm... apart from the piss up... what was the point of you doing a degree?
I agree with deano 100% ... experience = worth a LOT! Most companies will take experience over a degree and also I agree with Deano that the music / tv industry / media industry in general is very much 'who you know', not 'what you know' unfortunately.
It's a hard job to get into and you have to start at the bottom and get treated like shit for years to get your break (if not at all).
I'd go learn how to do some plumbing, so if this all falls through you can at least earn a decent wage!
I agree 100%. I hate schools just treating students as statistics. More people they get to uni the better the school looks. I am so glad I didnt go to uni at 18. I went at 21 and Im doing something completely different to what I wouldve been forced into at 18. Instead I got threes of work and life experience I am so grateful for AND i figured out what I wanted to for a career.
PLUS I've seen the variety of course the uni and college I go to offer (some for ages 16 up) and I had no clue when I was at school. If only someone told me but the schools dont. they tell whats available there and thats it.
Grrrrrr
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