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SAL
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5th Feb 08 at 17:21   View Garage View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
BTW this is not a silly ansew/bandwagon thread

Reason for the question is...

they do handle, and my car does'nt so why do they ? both car's are simular in size, both have decent 120 round about hp and same kind of original cost's
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Good point - I'd also like to know why they are supposedly so quick? Is it because of their weight?
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quick because of weight and quite high power from a stock n/a 1.6

handle again because of weight, size and chassis
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the suspension setup which is surely classed as an "old" design...torsion bar at the back and what not...true 80s design and corsa is very similiar to the nova's and 106/saxo to the 205 and that...i cant really answer ure question but wud like to know as im buying one
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drive any car with a torsion bar and it'll handle well
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drive any car with a torsion bar and it'll handle well


landrover?
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drive any car with a torsion bar and it'll handle well


landrover?


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quote:
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drive any car with a torsion bar and it'll handle well


Why?
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drive any car with a torsion bar and it'll handle well


Why?


I don't know, Im going from personal expierience

any car ive drivn with a torsion bar (saxo, 106, 306, 205) they have all handled well
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only reason i see a torsion bar to help a car handle is there normally stiffer/resist roll more then others .. think that has alot to do with why car with them on the back tend to have so much lift off oversteer .... but i could be wrong
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out of my 7 car's ive had the two french ones have been the best, again i dont know why
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Number of factors will affect handling, design and setup of the suspension being the major one. Major reason is that the 106 has a torsion beam rear axle as opposed to the Corsa trailing arm arrangement.

Then you have issues such as weight distribution which affects the relative grip front to back on the car, roll centre, which affects how the body rolls in response to lateral load and suspension geometry itself which roughly dictates how much tyre stays on the ground while your weight is moving around while you corner. This in turn affects grip.

You also have issues like the weight of unsprung mass - ie. wheel, tyre, brake components, hub - everything than hangs down when you lift the car off the floor.

Lower is better as it enables the suspension to respond better to the road surface. Heavy unsprung mass will make the car less able to cope with bumps as the amount of grip is reduced as the mass changes direction back down towards the ground after hitting a bump.

There's a lot to it.
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corsa's astra's etc seem very light around the back end not as planted as a car with a torsion bar

but then again, cavalier turbo's with independant rear suspension handle very well
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I just don't understand the reasoning? I've owned a 205 GTi and have driven 2 modded Saxo's and 2 AX's and I personally think the Torsion bar is crap! I've always been of the impression that they only have 1 benefit... cheap lowering

I'd have a decent spring/damper setup any day... as at least you can change the spring rates cheaply if required.... where as a Torsion bar needs.... well new uprated Torsion bars. lol

I thought manufactures originally fitted Torsion bars to increase rear space inside the car (no need for upright shocks and springs)... or is this wrong? is there an actual handling "benefit"????

Interested to know.
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The space issue is a big one for a car of that size.
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Plus i've noticed that just about all saxo/106/AX are crabbing. So they are already half way round the corner.
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they only crab if they are fucked
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WoW. There must be a lot of fucked frence cars out there then.

I know that even sorting out the tracking can sort that out. But my ex had a 1.0 saxo beast and that crabbed.
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crab? crabbing? plz explain
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If you follow a car in the rain there will be 2 tyre marks in the road. When a car is crabbing there will be 4.

Think how a crab moves. Sideways.

[Edited on 05-02-2008 by Steve X16XE]
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its different from the vtr/vts suspemsion in weight and setup and everything though aint it...and f00k me are they heigh:O was staring at someones at work today lol
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Damage which results in rear toe adjustment would cause that on any car.
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It would and it did on my F reg Polo.

But that doesn't explain why saxo/106/AX crabbing all the time.
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quote:
Originally posted by ShEp
drive any car with a torsion bar and it'll handle well


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quote:
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quote:
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drive any car with a torsion bar and it'll handle well


Berlingo Van


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