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P1CK4D

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28th Jun 07 at 11:55

Off the mark racing I've always been told its all about torque, "thats what wins races". Yet, my standard XE 151bhp 149lb/tq ran a 15.3 1/4 mile and my mates EG Civic with a B18 engine is running around 198bhp 142 lb/tq ran a 14.3 1/4 mile. How the hell do you explain that coz its bugging the hell out of me

Jamie

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28th Jun 07 at 11:58

You only have 7lb/tq more than him

He has 47bhp more. Its all relative.

+ obviously different drivers

TomSBD

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28th Jun 07 at 12:00

the way i thought is torque only helps for the very first movement off the line then after that its the power that is pulling you throught the gears if you get what i mean

Ben G

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28th Jun 07 at 12:02

barrrp barrrrrrrp

nearly 50bhp more is a big difference

Rob B

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28th Jun 07 at 12:03

civic engine is very strong through the revs aswell, mind you, it could be your driving, cause my mate did 3 high 14s and one mid 14 at pvs, 14.6 he ran standard xe..

John

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28th Jun 07 at 12:06

More torque doesn't trump more bhp.

If is worked like that i'd be beating most of the cars on the road.

dhdev

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28th Jun 07 at 12:07

Possibly the torque curve.
I'd imagine the civic has a flatter torque curve and yours may have more torque but only for a peak moment.

Vaux Lad

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28th Jun 07 at 12:19

Yep/\
Yours might have more torque, but over what range?
Just peaks higher with the civic holding slightly less torque, but over a bigger rev range.

A corsa XE should also be mid to high 14s.

Steve

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28th Jun 07 at 12:22

you actually want a less torque for a good launch but enough if that makes sense, ie too much is bad, too little is bad

dhdev

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28th Jun 07 at 12:24

quote:
Originally posted by Steve
ie too much is bad, too little is bad

..and the third torque was juuuust right, so steve gobbled it up.

willay

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28th Jun 07 at 12:24

pickford cant drive for shit.

Rob B

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28th Jun 07 at 12:25

quote:
Originally posted by willay
pickford cant drive for shit.

good explanation

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28th Jun 07 at 12:28

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28th Jun 07 at 12:35

his peak torque is higher up the revs, and for longer.

Superlite Ltd.

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28th Jun 07 at 13:10

gear ratio on the transmission...

P1CK4D

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28th Jun 07 at 13:24

quote:
Originally posted by Rob B

quote:
Originally posted by willay
pickford cant drive for shit.

good explanation

Both Cunts. Willay's best was only a 15.1 and his engine is "supposedly" newly rebuilt, with a lightened and balanced flywheel and he doesn't run power steering, so its hardly down to my driving is shit. So you can suck me left one.

willay

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28th Jun 07 at 13:25

supposedly? you cheeky rust bucket driving cunt. My engine is rebuilt thank you very much. You are just upset that I spanked you every time at santa pod

P1CK4D

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28th Jun 07 at 13:31

quote:
Originally posted by willay
supposedly? you cheeky rust bucket driving cunt. My engine is rebuilt thank you very much. You are just upset that I spanked you every time at santa pod

Hardly upset, due to the fact that your engine has had a rebuild, yet mines done over 100,000 miles still plodding along keeping well up with yours with no rebuild. If anything, your the one that should be upset, your engine is wank!

willay

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28th Jun 07 at 13:35

I didn't have a rebuild for performance, I had one so it was reliable

and keeping up with me? I still beat you at santa pod?

Dave A

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28th Jun 07 at 13:38

figh fight fight. knock willays hat off.

P1CK4D

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28th Jun 07 at 13:38

quote:
Originally posted by willay
I didn't have a rebuild for performance, I had one so it was reliable

and keeping up with me? I still beat you at santa pod?

Realiable, 1st one going pop. Very realiable, n the 2nd one.. Cough Cough. Yes keeping up with you. A127, JR was in your car. You did beat me, im not afraid to admit it, but at the end of the day, your car was pink.

willay

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28th Jun 07 at 13:52

1st one had an issue with the block, something that didnt get changed, we swapped for a new one and it was perfect.

2nd time round I pulled a head bolt, something any 20XE is prone to do due to the engine design.

Yeah you kept up with me from a rollnig start, but from a 0 to whatever blat we had at santa pod, I spanked your arse.

Yeah my car was pink, but that has nothing to do with my engine.

topshot_2k

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28th Jun 07 at 13:53

[Edited on 28-06-2007 by topshot_2k]

Baskey

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28th Jun 07 at 14:02

^^ lol agreed, plus id rather loose to a red car than a pink one

[Edited on 28-06-2007 by Baskey]

[Edited on 28-06-2007 by Baskey]

Rob B

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28th Jun 07 at 14:03

well, pick4d im going off my mates time in his standard xe of 14.6 and sly_sri has also run a 14.4 in a standard one

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