Ian
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http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?p=1&f=23&t=377548&h=0
Worth a read, there's a lot discussed. Quite long but its worth giving it a bit of time.
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Jules S
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I enlightened Ian on this thread...I thought it would be better to come from him than me, as more people would read it.
The posts that count are in the the first three pages...the bloke got 12 months in prison. So be aware about what you post before typing it 
My thoughts go out to all of the people involved 
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Robin
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quote:
Originally posted by Ian
there's a lot discussed.
Most of which seems to be if R_U_Local is aggressive or not 
Interesting read other than that though.
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Robin
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R_U_Local's first post in the thread is quite interesting too, makes you realise that the 'poor' sentences some people get aren't intentional.
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Matt H
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Two little asides to the story which might interest you though.
Firstly, Hussain had only recently been released from a substantial prison sentance, on licence. The first thing we did was to have his licence revoked, and so, despite the 12 week sentence for the accident, he actually went back inside for another 18 months - he only got out a few weeks ago.
Secondly, at the scene of the accident, a little shrine appeared - you know the type of thing - flowers, teddies and sympathy cards left near to the scene. Now, one of the local low-lifes was arrested a few days later after he had stolen a teddy from this little shrine. His sentence? 4 months in prison - 4 weeks longer than the driver who killed the child.
I don't know wether to laugh at this or not. Seems like a cruel joke, bet the family are fuming
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jamesvalver
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thats a very serious msg to put across! ppl should defo take note
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Matt H
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"what people want is not more effort into catching the worst road offenders, but more effort put into catching burglars, rapists, murderers etc"
Well thats a load of bollocks 
Hardly ever hear of cases of unsolved murders. Look at the detail they went into on the RTA, then think how much they'll investigate a muder case.
If there's no evidence people can't be caught. If there's little evidence people can't be convicted. A good example of that is the hit & run R U local worked on
I hope the police check on that forum & arrest him for being dumb
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J4M13
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R_U_LOCAL is a copper in my town
also he is a main poster on Barryboys.co.uk.
that is quite an interesting read, my eyes are hurting now lol. quickly turns into arguements, like most forum threads when people have different opinions.
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Robin
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"The danger is that in the event of something happening, be that speeding, saying how you'd like to kill your neighbour for being noisy then he happens to be murdered, or indeed my accident, comments which you posted as being innocuous can potentially come back to bite you, whether they're actually worthy of that or not."
This is a very good point.
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J4M13
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quote:
Originally posted by Matt H
Two little asides to the story which might interest you though.
Firstly, Hussain had only recently been released from a substantial prison sentance, on licence. The first thing we did was to have his licence revoked, and so, despite the 12 week sentence for the accident, he actually went back inside for another 18 months - he only got out a few weeks ago.
Secondly, at the scene of the accident, a little shrine appeared - you know the type of thing - flowers, teddies and sympathy cards left near to the scene. Now, one of the local low-lifes was arrested a few days later after he had stolen a teddy from this little shrine. His sentence? 4 months in prison - 4 weeks longer than the driver who killed the child.
I don't know wether to laugh at this or not. Seems like a cruel joke, bet the family are fuming
Everyone was fuming about how lightly that scum got off, i wonder if race came into how lightly his sentence was?
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Robin
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If you read the first post from R_U_local Jamie, you'll see the police side of the story.
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J4M13
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I did read it, whos to say that his post is every little bit correct though, and he wont have been the only person to work that case, so it wont have just been his input put forward etc.
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Matt H
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quote:
Originally posted by J4M13
Everyone was fuming about how lightly that scum got off, i wonder if race came into how lightly his sentence was?
It was the maximum sentence they could give
So....
possibly
If the judge was racist then yes 
But I'd like to think that everyone is judged on the seriousness of their crimes, not their race.
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Matt H
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quote:
Originally posted by J4M13
I did read it, whos to say that his post is every little bit correct though, and he wont have been the only person to work that case, so it wont have just been his input put forward etc.
ITs usually just 1 copper that appears to give evidence?
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J4M13
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But I'd like to think that everyone is judged on the seriousness of their crimes, not their race.
so would i, and everyone else i think, weather this is true or non of us will ever know eh?
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Gareth
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One of my mates got convicted of death by dangerous. He got 8 months and was out after 4 months. 3 year ban.
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J4M13
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ITs usually just 1 copper that appears to give evidence?
is this true? i would have thought there would be more than 1 person for the police side of the trial.
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VegasPhil
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That's the most touching story I've ever read on a Car forum.
Corsa 2.0 16v Vegas - Sold
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Steve X16XE
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I thought driving without insurance alone would have been more than that. Let alone No licence......
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Matt H
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5 year ban may account for that
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Robin
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A lad I know stole (and crashed) his dad's car a few years ago, no license, no insurance, TWOC and DUI, leaving the scene of an accident, £400 fine 12 month ban, they couldn't do any more, much as they tried.
It's not a case of the police doing it wrong, sometimes they can only give a certain sentence.
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Robin
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quote:
Originally posted by Matt H
5 year ban may account for that
And the 18 months addition in prison.
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All Torque
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"When we'd finally arrested Hussain and I got the opportunity to interview him, there was no way that he would admit driving dangerously on the day. He admitted everything else - that he was driving, that he failed to stop, etc, etc, but he wouldn't admit driving dangerously. Just to give you a little insight into the mindset of people like Hussain, I asked him if he had a licence, and he said that he used to have a provisional, but he lost it several years ago. I asked him if he'd ever taken a driving test and he said that no, he hadn't. I then asked him if he thought he was a good driver (an essential point in dangerous driving cases), to which he replied that, yes, he thought he was a good driver - this was because, when he had some lessons about 5 years previously, his instructor told him he was ready for his test.
Combine this lack of evidence with CCTV footage which showed that the child's mother hadn't really taken sufficient care of the child on her journey out of town, and that she was around 10 yards behind her mother as they crossed the road, and you can see that we were starting to struggle."
FUCK'S SAKE! 
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Rob B
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Just read through all this, its quite scary.
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Rob H
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Interesting read, and some worth while points, especially to those with big mouths and/or with web site stickers on there windows. End of the day the posts to some degree can paint a picture of someone, just like a character reference does.
Reminds me of an article (HERE) I read a while back about how a simple manuvour or driving in a certain way can change someones perception of you as a driver, even though it may be a split second thing that you did, and it could have been totally out of character. Should something serious happen though, the person who just judged you, may well be the person who gives evidence against you and how you were driving on the day in court  .
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