Pop
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hey...
just starting to do a little research into 1.8t vag lumps and need help because i'm really not clued up on them at all.
which cars did they come in? do they have much tuning potential? how much do you think i could pick one up for?
any ideas
thanks
tim
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Simon L
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They range from 150bhp to 250bhp, due to a variety of different turbos.
The larger turbos can be remapped to about 280bhp and 280lb/ft with no other changes.
The smaller ones remap to around 200bhp and 200lbft.
Not sure on prices, check eBay.
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Adam_B
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probably be quicker listing the cars VAG dont put that engine in 
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StuartVRS
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quote:
Originally posted by Simon L
They range from 150bhp to 250bhp, due to a variety of different turbos.
The larger turbos can be remapped to about 280bhp and 280lb/ft with no other changes.
The smaller ones remap to around 200bhp and 200lbft.
Not sure on prices, check eBay.
up to 225bhp, never heard of a 250bhp standard 1.8T
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Pop
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well the idea is floating around about the possibility of transplanting one into a 206 ... i've recently seen a foreign 206 with a 2.3 16v turbo honda engine in it
a few people have mentioned the vag engine though
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StuartVRS
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Sounds interesting, no idea on engine prices but if they go wrong then they can cost a lot to fix. As Simon stated above though, good power can be had for little money. AGU engine code is widely regarded as best version to tune
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Simon L
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up to 225bhp, never heard of a 250bhp standard 1.8T
The last of the Audi TT Quattros called the "Sport" was 240PS. Near enough.
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Icy
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wasnt s4's more than 225bhp?
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Simon L
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The old S4's were a 2.7 bi-turbos and the new ones are 4.2 V8's.
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Pop
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so is it the 20v turbo that i should be looking to source?
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AK
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quote:
Originally posted by Icy
wasnt s4's more than 225bhp?
never known an S4 with a 1.8t
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StuartVRS
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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by StuartA3Turbo
up to 225bhp, never heard of a 250bhp standard 1.8T
The last of the Audi TT Quattros called the "Sport" was 240PS. Near enough.
 Fair enough, personally never heard of it, but ill take your word for it.
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StuartVRS
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quote:
Originally posted by Pop
so is it the 20v turbo that i should be looking to source?
Indeed. Ideally you want a low mileage one but if yer after an AGU engine (which id recommend) then you want one from an A3 1997/98 or golf of similar age. 150 bhp standard, about 200bhp on a remap. Could go for a later one with VVT and see 220bhp from a remap too tho.
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Simon L
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quote:
Originally posted by Pop
so is it the 20v turbo that i should be looking to source?
Yup, came in loads of VAG cars...
Ibiza Cupra + R, mk3 and mk4
Leon Cupra + R
Golf GTI mk4
Passat
Audi TT
Aud A4
Audi A3
Audi S3
Octavia VRS
and son on...
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Simon L
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The 225bhp TT's, S3's and Leon Cupra R's all came with the larger turbo and 2 IC's. Remap to around 270bhp.
Although supposidly the early Golf engines are stronger. Pfft, dunno why.
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Pop
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ok thanks for the initial help people ... i'm sure i'll have a few more questions along the way
been looking on ebay just now and there's a couple of 20vt engines on at the moment ...
just something i'm looking into and pricing up but it could be a fun project to complement my car
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Icy
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yeh though tthat bout s4 after posting
know some s3's are slightly under 225
225 1.8T for sale on e38 jus now for 1400
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StuartVRS
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quote:
Originally posted by Simon L
The 225bhp TT's, S3's and Leon Cupra R's all came with the larger turbo and 2 IC's. Remap to around 270bhp.
Although supposidly the early Golf engines are stronger. Pfft, dunno why.
I *think* its something to do with larger ports, someone mentioned it a while back on audi sport. Not 100% sure tho
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Icy
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http://www.edition38.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=34544
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Pop
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right this is probably going to sound stupid but here goes...
with it being an engine from a completely different marque of vehicle do you think there will be major problems with the loom, ecu etc? also with actually getting transmission to work?
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AK
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mounting will be the main issue i'd thunk
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Icy
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lisa was gona put vr6 in her corsa, she sold it tho 
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JKGSI
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I've got an AYP 1.8 20v Turbo 180bhp in my Ibiza Cupra-R. Only comes with the smaller k03 turbo so your better off starting with one that has the K04 (leon cupra-r, Audi S3).
Another good reason to stick with the Veedub or Audi engine is the Seats like mine tend to have over an complicated ECU. Mine for instance has an N249 valve to help control boost which the earlier engines in the golf etc don't have because basically it's not needed. Coil packs and MAF's are the weak link and can go at anytime whereas the engine and internals are known to be very reliable and can go for 200k and handle 300+bhp
[Edited on 10-03-2006 by JKGSI]
[Edited on 10-03-2006 by JKGSI]
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Steve
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if it financially viable could get an AUQ lump which runs a K03 and stick a K04 on it 2nd hand
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JKGSI
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yeah maybe but then you'd have to source a K04 and all the oil feeds and manifold. IMO you'd be better off with the AGU k04 equipped engine to start with
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