PK1
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If you had a diesel and ran it on red, what would happen to the car?
I understand red has a lower cetane rating (as in petrol has octane rating) and higher sulphur rating
On a really modern HDi engine, which is designed to run ultra lean, would it be damaged at all by it, or run noticably slower?
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John
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You'd be able to get yourself off teh charges when you got caught.
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PK1
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Sorry?
I'm not asking for myself, I dont own a diesel, but know people who live on farms with modern cars etc used for 'farm purposes', and they just asked if I thought it would damage them (since its primarily used for tractors)
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Ian
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What agricultural purpose requires a car? The legislation is quite strict here and I can't really think of anything a car would be capable of doing that would permit it to run on red.
In answering the question, the only difference should be the colour for taxation purposes and a car should run fine. Won't have a shiny brand name on the fuel, or low sulphur / self cleaning etc. but it should be essentially the same fuel.
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Ben
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i think if you mix kerosine, with oil its the same , but doesnt show up when you get dipped
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mark_gsi
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ive been told if you use it in your car and get cought u get fuked. where i used to work a while ago the gypos used to sell it lol
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scoob
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smokes abit when starting up in the morning after that dont notice any diffrence
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Ben
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only reason for getting caught is because of the dye , you can use fractional distillation and get the dye out , its loads of fucking about and personally i wouldnt bother
although kerosine and oil is alot easier , just has a different smell
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Meat-Pie-SRI
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you will get bummed by the Police if you get caught and your car can be seized if they think that the duty you have missed out on (in the past as well  ) by using it is worth more or equal to your car
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mark_gsi
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at the end of the day i just wouldnt do it couldnt be bothered with the chew and gettin cought for doin it
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vibrio
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I'd not like to risk my engine running it on red
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PK1
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yeah, i think it does have a different 'explosion rating' as in its more oily, plus theres more to it than the red dye, theres some sort of trace chemical.
I think it would harm a modern engine thats meant to run mega-lean eventually, as well as the cat-convertor system
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vibrio
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cetane is the ability to combust 50 minimum for cars these days
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Poot
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a few of the farmers around my area have old daihatsu fourtrak trucks, run them on red and use them to feed the stock around the fields
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Jules S
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errrr,
when i was younger, the 'red' in red diesel was there to stain the exhaust and surrounding pipework to let the bibs know you were running VAT less fuel
has something changed?
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bradfincham
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red diesel is heating fuel
You cannot run a car etc on this,
1 - its illegal and traceable for upto 10k miles after
2 - it doesnt burn as cleanly as white diesel
The guidelines are so strict that even the combine we have as we contract farm and go over 10 miles from the farms radius along a pubic road we are supposed to drain the tank, and fill it with white high priced diesel,
the same for diggers etc on construction sites as they move further than 10 miles of there base point of work
But no one obeys them rules are they are just silly in my opinion,
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mattyross
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ive driven a diesel van running on red (not on the road of course)
my mate uses it on his farm and it ran absolutely fine 
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MikeE
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the dumper at work i rag about on site when need be runs on red as all plant does on site. But as Brad says it certinaaly doesnt burn as cleanly as white diesel and it would be very stupid to even think of using it in you'r car and getting away with it IMO.
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ed
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It's a bit heavier than the more refined stuff you buy at the pumps, hence they use it for heating and things. It's illegal to use but this has been covered.
Basically, if you want to run your car on cheap fuel. Fill your tank up to NO LESS than 3 quaters full and top the rest up with vegetable oil. It will work fine and it should bugger your fuel pump, not giving my garuntee though as I haven't tried it.
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ed
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quote:
Originally posted by Jules S
errrr,
when i was younger, the 'red' in red diesel was there to stain the exhaust and surrounding pipework to let the bibs know you were running VAT less fuel
has something changed?
It's not VAT less, it is charged at a different tax rate as it is not intended for road use...
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vibrio
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add methanol to veg oil to thin it and make it more combustable
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ed
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You still have the problem of the veg oil emulsifying in your fuel pump though, which is why some people have a duel fuel system with a diesel tank in the spare wheel well for start up and shut down... It's best to process it into Biodiesel really though.
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mwg
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Whats the deal with running a diesel car on veg oil? I typed bio diesel in google and it looks like you have to buy allsorts of expensive kit (was thousands) to be able to produce it! Or is there a simple way to DIY it?
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PK1
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yeah im interested too in biodiesel?
if its legal then it could be worth buying a diesel to cut costs down
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mwg
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I want to buy an Astra van for tooling round in to work and back so wouldn't mind running it on biodiesel if its cheap and easy to make
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