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CorsaControl
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21st Jul 05 at 15:23   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

How hard would it be for a 2.0L Corsa to match the perfomance of a 2.0L 172? They weigh about the same 1000KG so obviously the corsa would have to be knocking around about 170BHP.. also the clio handles better... what would need to be done to the corsa??

I'm trying to talk myself into the Corsa as I believe it would take more abuse and easier / cheaper to maintain...

Please discuss
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i do believe the gearing in the 172 (not the cup) is quite long so the corsa will be pretty evenly matched low down in standard form
Ojc
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172 will win by a day and a bit on a track
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quote:
Originally posted by Ojc
172 will win by a day and a bit on a track


yes
CorsaControl
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But a 170BHP Corsa that has had suspension mods... would surley keep up???
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the corsa chassis at the end of the day, isnt designed around such a heavy engine, gives the car too much lift off oversteer, doesnt really matter how hard the spring rate is
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So a 2.0L Corsa will never be as good as the 172? performance wise?
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straight line yes, round the corners/on a track not really
Nic Barnes
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ive raced a 172 and i could pull away from it, only just though. round the twisty cumbrian hill side it was all over me, on the straights i could just pull a car lengths or so.

very quick and under rated i think
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What BHP you running mate?
Nic Barnes
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its just boggo engine, seems to pull well though.

i think it was more to do with the fact there wasnt enough road for the clio to pass really as why it never got passed me
bradfincham
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when mine was 160 bhp i stuck with my brothers 172 from 30-110,
0-100 i pulled a cars distance ahead i would say
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i had a play with one once and it didnt pull away, i didnt gain on it eather, then we came to a roundabout, whilst i fought with going round it without dieing the clio tootled off!
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quote:
Originally posted by CorsaControl
So a 2.0L Corsa will never be as good as the 172? performance wise?


redsport on here had a race with his mate in a 182 and he kept with him all the way, the clio never pulled away, maybe a girl driver but it never got away according to him.
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id believe it. 10k car versus 2k car so corsa wins on price. although them 182's are well smart cars i think. id have one no problems
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had a bit of a race on motorway with a 172..

stayed on his tail until we both slowed down at about 110..he wasn't getting away...
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i had a race with the 182 i was passing it at 130mph. but they r fast as fcuk
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I had a race with a 172 cup and was sat on his back bumper on the straight stuff not so good on the twistys but im hoping some arb changes will help with this
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Tune your V6 upto 255 BHP and you should be seeing these figures in a corsa..

Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 255
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1100
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 235.54
0 - 60 (Secs) : 5.11
0 - 100 (Secs) : 12.07
60 - 100 (Secs) : 6.96
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 13.45
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 105.57
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 13.25
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 107.49


[Edited on 21-07-2005 by CorsaControl]
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I have been researching the http://www.letstorquebhp.com
Site and its very accurate!

[Edited on 21-07-2005 by CorsaControl]
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4 bar, cams, exhaust, enlarged throttle boddy, flywheel.. you should be seeing over 220

Im guessing at the minute is seeing about 190...?

Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 190
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1100
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 175.50
0 - 60 (Secs) : 6.30
0 - 100 (Secs) : 16.11
60 - 100 (Secs) : 9.81
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 14.71
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 95.55
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 14.51
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 97.24
Nic Barnes
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lol, if only it was accurate.....

Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 360
Weight without Driver (KG) : 903
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 405.07
0 - 60 (Secs) : 4.16
0 - 100 (Secs) : 9.09
60 - 100 (Secs) : 4.94
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 12.40
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 116.75
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 12.20
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 118.93

previous owner reckoned he had the weight down to 903kg's. phase 4 set up ive got is 360bhp.

0-60 4.1 and quarter mile of 12.4. if only.......
Nic Barnes
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actually.

Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 156
Weight without Driver (KG) : 875
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 181.15
0 - 60 (Secs) : 6.18
0 - 100 (Secs) : 16.19
60 - 100 (Secs) : 10.01
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 14.62
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 95.03
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 14.42
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 96.73

my corsa xe is 156bhp and according to owners manual is 875kg kerb weight. says 14.62 and its done a 14.69. maybe it is right
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there are many other factors that doesnt take into account so its not all that accurate, such as gear change times, wheel size, wheel spin, high oncoming wind etc, take it with a pinch of salt
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Clio's handle shit hot ask Fad!

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