jaffa
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Since i have moved out i have use the PC at my mums for net and word,excel documents etc
got budget of around 200 (300 if i can get some cash off my mum) quid to get a new PC
already got - 400w power supply
case
monitor (17" Crt - not brilliant but ok)
mouse
keyboard
speakers
I need to get a motherboard, graphics card, processor RAM for under 300 quid.
Was wondering as i am stuck for space whether it would be TV thought the PC would be achievable and if so what would i need?
any help would be great cheers
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jaffa
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not a massive games player, but want be able run Football manager happily
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Dan B
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Okay, recommended spec for Footy Manager 2005 is:
1.8GHz processor
256MB RAM
8x CD-ROM drive
Easy enough, give me a few mins to get some prices together...
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Dan B
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Okay, how about this:
Asus A7N8X-X nForce2, ATX, DDDR400, 10/100 Lan, USB 2.0, 6Ch Audio, IDE = £38.65
AMD *Retail* Athlon XP 2800 + *333 FSB* Barton (2.08 GHz) with AMD Heat Sink Fan 3Yr = £64.95
512Mb PC3200 (PC400) DDR Memory (Major) Retail = £26.66
128MB Gigabyte N55128D-P-GeforceFX5500, 300/500MHz, AGPx8, 4xPipeline, DirectX9.0, TVOut, DVI = £43.48
I make that £173.74......now, you didn't mention whether or not you needed drives, so will add those on aswell:
120Gb Maxtor Plus 9 ATA-133 (7200rpm,8MB) - PATA = £46.96
NEC ND-3540A Ivory 16x16 DVD±RW Dual Layer DVD-Writer, OEM UK = £31.64
Grand total with drives: £252.34
[Edited on 02-07-2005 by Dan B]
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Ren
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I agree with near enough everything Dan said except the processor. Get an Intel instead, Athlon XP's run very hot, and to the limit of the capibility. And because you're getting an Intel, you'll need a motherboard with the correct socket.
Try www.microdirect.com for parts, as they're quite cheap.
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Dan B
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Yes, Athlon's run hot, they're designed to......with decent cooling, the temperature isn't a problem. I've never had a problem with any Athlon running excessively hot (the XP2600+ I've currently got is running at 2.1GHz, and doesn't go above 50 degrees - 72 degrees is supposedly when warning bells go off, it's never got even remotely close to that temperature).
And the above prices are from Scan.
The reason quite a few people choose AMD rather than Intel? Here's what I'd say is a performance-comparable Intel CPU to the AMD chip I chose above:
2.8GHz Intel Pentium® 4 S478 CPU "Prescott" (800FSB) HT 1MB Cache *Retail* = £117.21
Notice the difference in price? 
[Edited on 03-07-2005 by Dan B]
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richard_syko
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My Duron 1800 is at 2.06GHz.
Waiting for some mulla to get a 2500 barton or 3200 if I get some spare cash.
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Ren
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quote:
Originally posted by Dan B
Yes, Athlon's run hot, they're designed to......with decent cooling, the temperature isn't a problem. I've never had a problem with any Athlon running excessively hot (the XP2600+ I've currently got is running at 2.1GHz, and doesn't go above 50 degrees - 72 degrees is supposedly when warning bells go off, it's never got even remotely close to that temperature).
And the above prices are from Scan.
The reason quite a few people choose AMD rather than Intel? Here's what I'd say is a performance-comparable Intel CPU to the AMD chip I chose above:
2.8GHz Intel Pentium® 4 S478 CPU "Prescott" (800FSB) HT 1MB Cache *Retail* = £117.21
Notice the difference in price?
[Edited on 03-07-2005 by Dan B]
But the Intel has HT (Hyper Threading), and is well worth the extra money
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Russ
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very hot my arse
i have a 1.4 amd running at 2.4 and its only 60 degrees on full load.
you can get a cheap amd 64 rig for 300
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Cybermonkey
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quote:
Originally posted by Ren
I agree with near enough everything Dan said except the processor. Get an Intel instead, Athlon XP's run very hot, and to the limit of the capibility. And because you're getting an Intel, you'll need a motherboard with the correct socket.
Try www.microdirect.com for parts, as they're quite cheap.
yeah ok
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Russ
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also FUKIN LOL at microdirect
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Skinz
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get an intel chip i have seen a few problems with the amd's instruction set with various software, probably wont affect you for what you want it for though
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Russ
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quote:
Originally posted by Skinz
get an intel chip i have seen a few problems with the amd's instruction set with various software, probably wont affect you for what you want it for though
ive seen the moon but it doesnt mean i wouldnt go..
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Skinz
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quote:
Originally posted by RussSxi
quote:
Originally posted by Skinz
get an intel chip i have seen a few problems with the amd's instruction set with various software, probably wont affect you for what you want it for though
ive seen the moon but it doesnt mean i wouldnt go..
iv seen your ass
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Chump
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quote:
Originally posted by Skinz
get an intel chip i have seen a few problems with the amd's instruction set with various software, probably wont affect you for what you want it for though
Utter crap. There is nothing wrong with AMD in the slightest.....
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Skinz
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quote:
Originally posted by Chump
quote:
Originally posted by Skinz
get an intel chip i have seen a few problems with the amd's instruction set with various software, probably wont affect you for what you want it for though
Utter crap. There is nothing wrong with AMD in the slightest.....
STFU idiot i work as a technical engineer, and part of that job is supporting software we have specific information from the software developers themselves that particular software has trouble with the AMD instruction sets
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Chump
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and how much of thay software is mainstream that will affect people like Jaffa?
I build AMD machines day in day out with a whole host of different software and never have any issues.....
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Skinz
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quote:
Originally posted by Chump
and how much of thay software is mainstream that will affect people like Jaffa?
I build AMD machines day in day out with a whole host of different software and never have any issues.....
probably none hence why i said in the original post, "it probably wont affect you"
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Chump
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so what was the point in posting it then? Scaremongoring for no reason.....
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Skinz
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maybe
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jaffa
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cheers 
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Jules
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I run a AMD 3200XP 64, just opening my mobo temp monitor software it shows that the CPU is currently sitting at a constant 44deg C and has been for a considerable time now (my PC was left on over night), the threashold at which the probe will warn me that it's getting even close to overheating is 80deg C, I run a standard AMD heatsink and cooler and have only added one additional casefan as the case is just a old cheapy, the desktop unit itself sits on the floor right next to one side of the desk (the removable side of the case that is vented so it's effectively blocked) and the back is practically against the wall behind it with only a few inches of space - so it's not exactly ideal for air circulation by any stretch of the imagination.
My PC has been like this for the past two years and I've NEVER had any problems at all with either this AMD CPU or my previous one overheating.
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jaffa
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quote:
Originally posted by Dan B
Okay, how about this:
Asus A7N8X-X nForce2, ATX, DDDR400, 10/100 Lan, USB 2.0, 6Ch Audio, IDE = £38.65
AMD *Retail* Athlon XP 2800 + *333 FSB* Barton (2.08 GHz) with AMD Heat Sink Fan 3Yr = £64.95
512Mb PC3200 (PC400) DDR Memory (Major) Retail = £26.66
128MB Gigabyte N55128D-P-GeforceFX5500, 300/500MHz, AGPx8, 4xPipeline, DirectX9.0, TVOut, DVI = £43.48
I make that £173.74......now, you didn't mention whether or not you needed drives, so will add those on aswell:
120Gb Maxtor Plus 9 ATA-133 (7200rpm,8MB) - PATA = £46.96
NEC ND-3540A Ivory 16x16 DVD±RW Dual Layer DVD-Writer, OEM UK = £31.64
Grand total with drives: £252.34
[Edited on 02-07-2005 by Dan B]
drives, got a DVD rw drive anyway so just need a HDD
any recommendations where to go?
overclockers is round the corner from me thats where i usually shop
[Edited on 03-07-2005 by jaffa]
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Chump
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overclockers are usually good....
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ste_nova
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i have a AMD Turion 64 2.2 in my laptop and p4 3.0HT in my desktop... i have no probs running all the same stuff on both, the amd runs quite cool unless you are killing it
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