bubble
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this wont happen.
when i used to be a sparky, i could stop electronic speedos from working, could disable alarms no mither, etc etc , even if this did happen, it would be a piece of piss to disable.
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dannymccann
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I used to be on the Norwich Union PAYD system for insurance a little while back. It brought my insurance down from £60 a month to £18 standing charge + whatever I drove that month. All roads would be the same price (2p a mile) but as I was a young driver (19) any miles done after 12am - 5am were £1 a mile  This was done to try and stop youngsters going out and showing off in those hours etc.
On the positive it meant I thought a hell of a lot more about planning my journeys, did more things in town on one journey and encouraged me not to leave something at home.
On the minus side you would constantly be planning how many miles you would do a month and desperatly trying to find out ways of decreasing it 
Turns you into a weirdo constantly thinking about it
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--DAN--
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Originally posted by dannymccann
I used to be on the Norwich Union PAYD system for insurance a little while back. It brought my insurance down from £60 a month to £18 standing charge + whatever I drove that month. All roads would be the same price (2p a mile) but as I was a young driver (19) any miles done after 12am - 5am were £1 a mile This was done to try and stop youngsters going out and showing off in those hours etc.
On the positive it meant I thought a hell of a lot more about planning my journeys, did more things in town on one journey and encouraged me not to leave something at home.
On the minus side you would constantly be planning how many miles you would do a month and desperatly trying to find out ways of decreasing it
Turns you into a weirdo constantly thinking about it
I assume Deano is on the same scheme at the minute?
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Ian
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Originally posted by Kyle T
£600 a year if you do the average of 12000 miles per year.
I'm currently paying £115 road tax 
When I was running three vehicles I was paying £605 and if the Corsa was back on the road alongside my current Astra and I also included the wagon which I'm going to use to tow the Puma to track days, none of which will be on the road simultaneously, I would be paying
185 Corsa
400 Astra
160 DAF
That's without owning a tow car. If I had another Freelander then you can add another 210.
That's £955 and I would probably do less miles than you.
I would be bloody made up with road pricing, assuming they fire off the unfair and frankly stupid CO2 based calculations for the current system, and assuming that it's applied in such a way that the roads are less busy when I need them to be. I wouldn't mind paying a grand a year to use all my cars if it meant I didn't have to queue.
Although if you're skint and trying to run a single big car between all your family, unlucky.
[Edited on 18-11-2009 by Ian]
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Cosmo
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Yeah, its certainly more beneficial to someone who owns multiple cars and doesnt do a silly amount of miles in them.
Id guess those types of people (other than the super rich who have a stable of cars) are few and far between though.
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deano87
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A diesel daily driver it is then.
Or a push bike.
Although they may succeed in getting me on to a train for work, as it'll actually be cheaper than driving.
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fir3vip3r
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Originally posted by pow
Do none of you agree that some of the cars need to be got off the roads though?
Get the kids WALKING to school again, like old days? Get people who have <2 miles to work use alternative methods? We are a lazy society.
Every morning I see 4x4's/530s/E320s carrying one person plus child for hardly any distance.
no! i believe you have the right to choose what car you own. and what you do with that car is your business unless obviously its for a criminal use
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Griffiths1991
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WTF Why do they have to try and make your life harder
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Cosmo
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quote:
Originally posted by pow
Do none of you agree that some of the cars need to be got off the roads though?
Get the kids WALKING to school again, like old days? Get people who have <2 miles to work use alternative methods? We are a lazy society.
Every morning I see 4x4's/530s/E320s carrying one person plus child for hardly any distance.
Have you ever thought those parents have a job to go to after dropping the kids off and dont have time to be walking to school with their kids?
And who is to say what car people can get with the hard earned they earn? If they want a big fuck off car then they can spend their money on it.
By the same reasoning, would up be happy with someone saying people shouldnt modify their car to be faster, look better, etc. as it'll get you from A to B doing the speed limit as it is? Thats exactly the same sort of thing as telling someone they are using a big car for 'hardly any distance'.
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AndyKent
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Originally posted by Cosmo
quote:
Originally posted by pow
Do none of you agree that some of the cars need to be got off the roads though?
Get the kids WALKING to school again, like old days? Get people who have <2 miles to work use alternative methods? We are a lazy society.
Every morning I see 4x4's/530s/E320s carrying one person plus child for hardly any distance.
Have you ever thought those parents have a job to go to after dropping the kids off and dont have time to be walking to school with their kids?
And who is to say what car people can get with the hard earned they earn? If they want a big fuck off car then they can spend their money on it.
By the same reasoning, would up be happy with someone saying people shouldnt modify their car to be faster, look better, etc. as it'll get you from A to B doing the speed limit as it is? Thats exactly the same sort of thing as telling someone they are using a big car for 'hardly any distance'.
Different argument though isn't it.
Congestion in many towns and villages isn't helped by all the parents who feel the need to drive their kid to school.
It is not necessary for many to be driven the school, but the parents choose to do it because the cost of fuel is less than the perceived benefit. Maybe, by taxing these routes, the cost would become too much and congestion would be reduced.
Put another way, my house is dead close to a railway station, and I work dead close to a different railway station linked directly to the first, but I drive to work because its cheaper and comfier. If these charges came in and the money used to improve and reduce the cost of public transport I would definately use it.
Sod the CO2, I'm just worried about the cost. Why pay more than you need to, to earn the same amount of money?
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Cosmo
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Originally posted by AndyKent
Different argument though isn't it.
Congestion in many towns and villages isn't helped by all the parents who feel the need to drive their kid to school.
It is not necessary for many to be driven the school, but the parents choose to do it because the cost of fuel is less than the perceived benefit. Maybe, by taxing these routes, the cost would become too much and congestion would be reduced.
Put another way, my house is dead close to a railway station, and I work dead close to a different railway station linked directly to the first, but I drive to work because its cheaper and comfier. If these charges came in and the money used to improve and reduce the cost of public transport I would definately use it.
Sod the CO2, I'm just worried about the cost. Why pay more than you need to, to earn the same amount of money?
See, now the argument you were making is different again, thats called a sustainable transport policy, where the Govt. increases the cost of the 'bad' form of transport and increases the level of service of the alternatives. The problem with this is the Govt. doesnt actually want you to use these alternatives as they are making too much money out of people driving their cars - hence how they will keep putting the taxes up on using cars and invest very little of it in public transport.
The point I was suggesting was more to do with time. A hell of a lot of parents (mothers) work these days compared to in the past, due to the rising cost of living and the general acceptance in society of working mothers. This has caused an increase of parents driving their kids to school on the way to work, as they simply dont have the time to walk. Add to that the general opinion that it is now not safe to let your kid to walk to school by themselves by a lot of parents and you get yet more of them driving to their kids to school.
POW was also saying that these parents drive stupidly sized cars to drop their kids off with just them and one child in them, and other than the fact they may need a big car for other reasons (pets, their job, other kids who arent at that school, etc.), I was asking what difference does it really make what car they drive. Any argument that they should have a smaller car could also be aimed at people who like to modify their car in any way - as it all boils down to 'What is the need?'.
Anyway, all those points (other than a sustainable transport plan which is needed if they introduce road pricing, but they wont do it) have nothing to do with the real issue here.
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MarkM
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We're all going to hell. The Bavarians are our only saviour - I say head for the eagles nest.
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Butler
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Originally posted by willay
James Butler became a fan of Peace One Day.
 
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SVM 286
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Originally posted by Ojc
http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/245122/road_pricing_on_way.html?CMP=NLC-Newsletters&uid=379aa7a30a64dd075591a12d27a81695
  What, the fuck?! Just ludicrous.
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Nic Barnes
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oh well.
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SVM 286
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Dutch idiots are presumably all too stoned to realise how screwed they are.
They probably would have nodded and smiled if the government suggested they sawed their knackers off.
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