Colin
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Originally posted by DizzyRebel
Doing petrol runs is a great idea, your only taking whats yours! If the uk just stood up for itself and every single motorist ran no plates and filled up without paying then held protests at all the ports the government would have to listen and let us have our say. We live under a dictatorship and no one can see it!
Thats a bit backwards ranting about unemployment then suggestion people rob petrol stations. If everyone done that then the garage/logistic's companysupplier etc would go out of business and more people would be out of work. 
If we run riot the government would just call in the army to run petrol stations and it would bring the country to its knee's resulting in more unemployment
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Colin
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and the scrappage scheme has kept me in a job, it's been a huge success.
Apparently its worked.....people are buying cars again. The difference in used values between the start of the year and now is proof to suggests its been a success!!
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Conway563
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Originally posted by DizzyRebel
Doing petrol runs is a great idea, your only taking whats yours!
WTF kind of logic brings you to that conclusion
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DizzyRebel
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Originally posted by Ben G
well my cousin used to work with me at ford and i got my full contract but he didn't as he joined a couple months after me and they laid him off.
he has been out of work since last christmas and has ben working with his dad who is a building contracter, gets paid cash in hand and still claims off the dole.
same goes with my other cousins boyfriend who's doing the same.
i'm paying to keep them and their kids in a nice house with decent pay while i'm stuck at home unable to save enough money to get my own house.
You cant say your hard done to, you have a focus st. And you are not paying for them in tax or fuel duty etc, your NI contribution pays for unemployment and that is a very small amount.
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DizzyRebel
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Originally posted by Colin
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Originally posted by DizzyRebel
Doing petrol runs is a great idea, your only taking whats yours! If the uk just stood up for itself and every single motorist ran no plates and filled up without paying then held protests at all the ports the government would have to listen and let us have our say. We live under a dictatorship and no one can see it!
Thats a bit backwards ranting about unemployment then suggestion people rob petrol stations. If everyone done that then the garage/logistic's companysupplier etc would go out of business and more people would be out of work.
If we run riot the government would just call in the army to run petrol stations and it would bring the country to its knee's resulting in more unemployment
No it wouldnt, it would just be a protest showing that we wont bend over and take the shafting - either lower prices back to around 80p a litre or loose all your revenue from fuel duty and let the country fall into chaos.
As for the scrappage scheme, its false economy. People who run 10 year old cars worth under 2k do so because they cant afford a new car. So by trading it in and buying a new car they are only plummeting themselves into debt they cant afford which will only expand the problem further a few more years down the line when people are getting the cars reposessed and missing bill payments etc because the deal looked good at the time. Scrappage scheme is a temporary boost to a problem that will remain as the auto trade is beginning to demise.
The scrappage scheme was just a clever way to bail out car manufacturers, however it isnt beneficial to any british factories or marques as 70% of the cars being bought are built in foreign factories anyway. So all were really doing is putting 300 million of taxpayers money into the pockets of foreign manufacturers, but no one can see it like that because of the shiny new car they are looking at.
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Colin
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Your hardly taking a shafting paying some tax to run a car  Other countrys pay less on fuel but they will make up for it in another way either through a different tax, lack of public services or having to live in an absolute dump of a country.
Scrappage scheme helped this country as far as keeping the motor industry ticking along and all the related business that would have folded should it have been allowed to fail.
Its not easy times just now so we'll all just have to suffer until it gets back on track, simple as that. By declaring that we should steal fuel is just stupid....what would that gain apart from your personal benefit??
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Conway563
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Originally posted by Colin
Your hardly taking a shafting paying some tax to run a car Other countrys pay less on fuel but they will make up for it in another way either through a different tax, lack of public services or having to live in an absolute dump of a country.
Exactly, would you rather pay an extra 50p a litre on your fuel than America or have to find £30k should you need to have an x-ray
I don't see why this 2p rise has caused such a fuss. I've known about it for nearly 6 months
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Fad
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Imagine how fucked you'd be if duty on new cars was much higher some contries are like 50-100% duty.
Taking a hit on petrol with a view to kickstart the economy isnt that much of a hardship when the country needs the funds..
I can imagine when VAT goes back up at the end of the year everyone will be up in arms even though they knew well it was only temporary.
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Colin
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I personally think they should abolish road tax and stick all the tax & duty on fuel....then you pay for exactly what you use!!
Vat drop hardly done anything imo.......ive certainly not noticed any extra cash in my pocket!!
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Fad
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Colin that would mean the Government loose money they wont do that!
As for the VAt rise at the end of the year this will add further to fuel so people will cry some more come new year 
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John
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The rises annoy people so much because it's taxing people who (for the most part) go out and work hard to get a car then need to fuel it, for the money to be given to all the scrounging dregs of society, who then go and buy bits for their cars while on the dole.
We shouldn't be financing the fuck up the banks made, or any of the other crap they spend it on.
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Fad
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True but unemployment is at an all time high so cutting benefits etc isnt an option for the government is it?
Ideally people should do community service for their dole money but is it ever going to change? I doubt it
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pow
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It's still extortionate the amount its gone up/going up in a single year
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Fad
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Well its still better than the 1.26/litre I apid last year and that was for normal 95 Unleaded!
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pow
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But it'll be that way by the time the VAT rise comes and I think that £1.20 a litre is pathetic.
When I was in Menorca last week it was 96 euro cents for diesel (~90p) and 110 euro cents for petrol (~98p) which according to the locals was way too much anyway!?
We are being fucked over by our own government
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Fad
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Yes but i bet duty on cars is higher as is road tax out there. All swings and roudabouts.
Imagine paying 50% more on a car so a Fiesta diesel ends up being 18k....thats what its like in portugal!
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pow
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The only price of a car I know over there was a Touran TDi SE was 20k in euros which is similar if not less to here
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