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Matt L
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5th Jul 08 at 23:06   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

bought this came the other day and i coudnt get it started.

so took it to a shop today bloke was very helpful and got it started anyway i have 2 issues with it.
1) makes a loud metally noise when the pull start is pulled and when running (think this is the glow plug hitting the piston which im sure cant be good for it, but how do i fix this?
2) it goes through a tank of petrol in less than 5 mins and idles very high (only done 2 tanks with the wheels off the ground) and lots of unburnt fuel being sprayed from the exhaust. but when i put the brake on the engine slows right down and cuts out.

the original problem for it not starting was the carb was the wrong way round (new out of the box not been touched).

so does anyone know what i need to do?

thanks in advance
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ebay?
Matt L
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right got lots of experience with rc, used to race at nationals level in rally x

first question, turn car upside down and remove the glow plug, there should be a brass washer ther yep ? if not thatd your problem, if it is there, try adding another brass washer from a spare plug, this will give you the clearence and will also lower the compression which means it will be easier for you to start during run in obviousely take it out and run on single washer once run in. if the problem persists it could just be the pinch of the liner and the sound should start to slowly fade as run in progresses

2) it will hammer through fuel during run in due to how rich it is

you should never run an engine in with the wheels of the ground as it puts no strain on the engine

to stop the engine cutting out when breaking you need to reset the throttle arm so it fully closes the carb body when the trigger is in the neutral position, you then alter the idle on the carb not with the trim

any other questions etc add me on msn or u2u me

ide personaly stop run in as it is and get it on the floor. have a quick search on google for heat cycle method which is best way to run the engine in and should be able to explain better then me on the forum

also i hope you have not let the tank of fuel ran out whilst idling ? makes the engine run very very lean which is bad bad bad

[Edited on 05-07-2008 by kangaroojack]
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you need to lean it off. should be at least 2 screws to adjust the carb. They are a pain in the ass tbh used to get hair dryer on block and finger over the exhaust to get mine started although that noise you describe sounds like the engine is fooked
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rofl engine isnt fooked at all, its new so it will be right tight and you always run them very rich for first few tanks and gradually lean it off otherwise you can cause serious damage to the engine
Matt L
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quote:
Originally posted by kangaroojack
right got lots of experience with rc, used to race at nationals level in rally x

first question, turn car upside down and remove the glow plug, there should be a brass washer ther yep ?
yep got one on but will try and add another one if not thatd your problem, if it is there, try adding another brass washer from a spare plug, this will give you the clearence and will also lower the compression which means it will be easier for you to start during run in obviousely take it out and run on single washer once run in. if the problem persists it could just be the pinch of the liner and the sound should start to slowly fade as run in progresses

2) it will hammer through fuel during run in due to how rich it is

you should never run an engine in with the wheels of the ground as it puts no strain on the engine
manual said to do it that way for the first tank so i just followed that

to stop the engine cutting out when breaking you need to reset the throttle arm so it fully closes the carb body when the trigger is in the neutral position, you then alter the idle on the carb not with the trim

dont quite understand how id do this because if i close the carb with the brake then wont it just cut out straigh away? so i wont be able to tell where the best idle part is.

any other questions etc add me on msn or u2u me

ide personaly stop run in as it is and get it on the floor. have a quick search on google for heat cycle method which is best way to run the engine in and should be able to explain better then me on the forum

also i hope you have not let the tank of fuel ran out whilst idling ? makes the engine run very very lean which is bad bad bad
nope oops. so i assume i have to stop it by pinching the fuel pipe to get it to stop?

[Edited on 05-07-2008 by kangaroojack]


[Edited on 05-07-2008 by Matt L]
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manual lies run in is the key to the longevity of you engine so make sure you do it right, have a quick search for the heat cycle method and you will realise why it makes sense and why most proper enthusiasts use the method

set all the trims on your transmitter to neutral and the take your airfilts off, find out which id the idle scrrew by looking in your manual and you are looking for a 1mm gap between the slide and the body of the carb, you will notice what i mean when you take the filter off, then once run in etc you can just adjust the idle to suit without removing the airfilts

and to shut the engine properly either put your finger over the tip of the exhaust or tap the fly wheel to stop it, edge of your shoe, yuor thumg if your brave or the handle of a screw driver etc anything that isnt sharp or too hard that it could nok the engine
Matt L
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quote:
Originally posted by kangaroojack
manual lies run in is the key to the longevity of you engine so make sure you do it right, have a quick search for the heat cycle method and you will realise why it makes sense and why most proper enthusiasts use the method
just reading up on that now only problem is i dont have a temp gauge so dont know how i can do that one

set all the trims on your transmitter to neutral and the take your airfilts off, find out which id the idle scrrew by looking in your manual and you are looking for a 1mm gap between the slide and the body of the carb, you will notice what i mean when you take the filter off, then once run in etc you can just adjust the idle to suit without removing the airfilts
at the moment the throttle trim is set quite high as its the only way it would continue to run . so basically i need to get a 1mm gap on the carb/butterfly thing and go from there?

and to shut the engine properly either put your finger over the tip of the exhaust or tap the fly wheel to stop it, edge of your shoe, yuor thumg if your brave or the handle of a screw driver etc anything that isnt sharp or too hard that it could nok the engine
i read about the fly wheel and a screw driver just imagined that doing more damage. but ill go for the exhaust option i think.
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dont really need a temp gauge, bit of spit on top of engine n it shud take 3-4 seconds to fizzle away and or hand on top of head and it shouldnt be uncomfortably warm for a few seconds

if you have to whizz your hand straight off then its lean and you need to richen it up a wee bit, saying that temp guns are mucho cheap on ebay now might be worth snatching one for good measure

i thought you would have the trim up high, set it to neutral and take the airfilter off and adjust the screw and you will see what i mean about leaving the gap, what is probably happening is that the engine is loading up at idle which means the engine isnt burning all the oil and is geting clogged up with it causing it to stutter and stoip sometimes which is why you increased the trim yep ? not a bad thing just lean the bottom end, usualy change the seting an hour at a time so as if the screw is a clok mover it only 1 hour at a time to prevent any major changes

exhaust is easist option, can burn your finger sometimes so use a rag etc i still have a circle scar on my thumb from back i the day
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quote:
Originally posted by kangaroojack
dont really need a temp gauge, bit of spit on top of engine n it shud take 3-4 seconds to fizzle away and or hand on top of head and it shouldnt be uncomfortably warm for a few seconds

if you have to whizz your hand straight off then its lean and you need to richen it up a wee bit, saying that temp guns are mucho cheap on ebay now might be worth snatching one for good measure

i thought you would have the trim up high, set it to neutral does that mean just turn it off kind of thing ie as low as it goes? and take the airfilter off and adjust the screw and you will see what i mean about leaving the gap, yeh i know what your on about just not sure which screw as i have 3 and i dont know which does what what is probably happening is that the engine is loading up at idle which means the engine isnt burning all the oil and is geting clogged up with it causing it to stutter and stoip sometimes which is why you increased the trim yep ? not a bad thing just lean the bottom end, usualy change the seting an hour at a time so as if the screw is a clok mover it only 1 hour at a time to prevent any major changes
when you say hour at a time i assume you mean turn it 1/12th of a turn and not every hour

exhaust is easist option, can burn your finger sometimes so use a rag etc i still have a circle scar on my thumb from back i the day
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tuen your trim to neutral so its in the middle so if you are in a ruch you can adjust the idle without having to twaek the carb

and 3 screws, one will be 'poking uo' from the carb this should be your top end needle, one will be on the end of the carb and be set into it which will be your bottom end and the other will be the idle, it should show you exactlky were in the manual, if not quick search on interwebz will sort you out

and yep a 1/12th of a turn these engines are very very sensitive and most problems are caused by people going ung hoe and whaking the needles around
Matt L
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so top one which i can see = top end needle what does that do?
one hiding underneath the filter = (i assumed the one that adjusts how open the carb is)
and the one on the side of the carb = low end and the one that adjusts idle
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the one that is hiding underneath the airfilter adjusts how open the carb is and alters the idle as it is what restricts how much air gets into the engine at idle

the one on the side just adjusts the mixture at low revs before it changes over to the top end needles
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so which one will need adjusting do you think? or both lol. think im gonna spend half the day setting it up
Kurt
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what kind of car is it matt?
Matt L
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see the first post and look closesly
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your idle will need adjusting first then basicaly follow the manual as it says after run in theres usualy a few tests to helpset it up

bottom end - wot run up and down, bring the car to a stop then count to 10 then hit full throttle, you want it to burble a little bit and then pull of with a nice trail of smoke, with these engines smoke = good its whn you have no smoke there can be problems

top end - more difficult this one, make a run full throttle in an oval abou tthe length of a tennis court allowing the engine to reach full throttle then break do a u turn and full throttle its should pull all the way down the straight with smoke and not splutter or burble at top enbd if it does it is lean and needs richening so anti clockwise on the needle

running in is the most important this for any nitro engine as they are so fragile

i would reccomend taking it to a local hobbyshop tbh for your first carb tweeking session and get thrm to explain, much easier face to face than on a fourm
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quote:
Originally posted by Matt L
see the first post and look closesly


it doesnt say make or model

was merely wondering if its driftable or some 4x4 monstosity

i fancy some rooftop drifting

[Edited on 06-07-2008 by Kurt]
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quote:
Originally posted by Kurt
quote:
Originally posted by Matt L
see the first post and look closesly


it doesnt say make or model

was merely wondering if its driftable or some 4x4 monstosity

i fancy some rooftop drifting

[Edited on 06-07-2008 by Kurt]


it does if you click the 'this' part

its a hpi rs4 drift. it is 4wd which is apparently what you need for drifting you just need certain tyres. which reminds me i need to change them for when it finally stops raining so i can run it in properly.
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for run in i would reccomend using normal rubber tyres for the grip, there must be a load on the engine at all time or it will easily go pop

as for drift wheels etc buy cheapo rubbers ones of ebay then get down to b&q and buy some drain pipe that will slide over the top an et voila drift rims can also put electrcions tape over normal tyres aswell as duc tape

loads of thing you can do to save buy the expensive proper ones
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Electric Touring cars are the way forward
Rob_Lee
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HOLY SHIT!

YOU SPENT THAT MUCH ON THAT!!

Mate you could have got something so much better... anywya

jump on MSN and ill help... i race RC's.

Im seling my Competition spec XB8-r at mo... could have sold you that for a bit more money!


 
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