Colin
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Who's he working for? Major house builders? My old gaffer used to work close (keep your friends close, your enemies closer etc) with the competition to keep prices high, there was planty work for them all so they worked together to keep the prices high! Every single one of them done it & it worked well!! The house builders have plenty tricks so why shouldnt we! 
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Colin
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Originally posted by deano87
It is in the sub-contracting game. Dad has been in the game for 25 years, he'd know 
Well my gaffer had been in the game 35yrs & was a multi millionaire, think he knows better
I was just an ant within his business but I knew the score on how to get jobs & make profit!
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dan_c4rsa
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Originally posted by Colin
Its something all businesses have to contend with & work into their quotes. Labor rates for building sub contractors are huge, ive done a stint as a contract surveyor for a construction sub contractor & seen some of the prices they charge. Theres plenty work around just now to keep everyone busy, up here anyway.
we havnt got much 
Just finishing a £250,000 flat-to-beauty salon conversion in harrogate.
Got some £300,000 job in Boroughbridge in a month and a half.
Then i think theres a big half million pound factory going up in dalton.
Might be big figures, but the company makes a turnover of about £300 million a year.
Has a massive steel side to it, makes about 2900 tonnes a week! 
Helped make stands at Aintree Racecourse, North and South Bridges at Arsenal, Baltic Millenium Bridge, Terminal 5 etc.
Makes our construction side pathetic
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deano87
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Yeah, the likes of Bellway, Bloor Homes, Charles Church etc.
He also occasionally does small works and one off houses for developers such as Oliver & Saunders.
The trouble is, dad pays his men good wages, and very good wages at that, because of the work they can produce.
But in the current climate, big house builders don't give a shit about the quality, or the work that is entailed.
The main problem is that most developers are now run by Accountants.
The last job dad tendered for, I told him to say on the phone, "we can't drop it another £3k because of the quality of work we do, the fully abiding H&S files etc produced" but he didn't.
They still got the tender.
The building trade will probably pick up. . .when dad retires
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deano87
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Originally posted by dan_c4rsa
we havnt got much
Just finishing a £250,000 flat-to-beauty salon conversion in harrogate.
Got some £300,000 job in Boroughbridge in a month and a half.
Then i think theres a big half million pound factory going up in dalton.
Might be big figures, but the company makes a turnover of about £300 million a year.
Has a massive steel side to it, makes about 2900 tonnes a week!
Helped make stands at Aintree Racecourse, North and South Bridges at Arsenal, Baltic Millenium Bridge, Terminal 5 etc.
Makes our construction side pathetic
The company's clearly charging too much
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Tom
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So why do you disagree with it for other trades etc?
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dan_c4rsa
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we still havnt stopped taking the piss out of the steel side for it
they hate us
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deano87
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So why do you disagree with it for other trades etc?
I basically disagree with it, because for smaller sub-contractors, they are literally tendering for the mens wages, and that's it. Nothing spare i.e. where holiday pay comes from.
It is the same for all companies I guess, but particularly for smaller ones. I'm not making presumptions, it's first hand experience/knowledge.
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Hammer
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You're old man will be crowing about being a skint flint so you don't ask for a big present off santa.
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deano87
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lol I don't ask for any handouts any way 
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dan_c4rsa
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Originally posted by deano87
lol I only ask for handjobs any way
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deano87
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mattk
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Originally posted by deano87
Then comes home, and does all the paperwork and H&S bullshit but effectively not getting paid for it, because the tender only covers his and his men's wages, for actually laying the bricks.
You should see the shit I have to fill out for the flats im doing
A HOTWORK permit for soldering
a landlord gas safety sheet for the whole flat
an in house sheet for the condition of every gas appliance in the flat
commissioning sheet
a benchmark sheet
and a sheet for the contractor
its hillarious I bet half of it gets fucking binned anyway 
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mattk
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and were the same to be honest
we only get paid for finishing a property, if your ill your not getting paid
we get 2 weeks holiday paid a year
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