Fonz
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is this a sports Day topic? :boogle:
anyway the suggestion is to reverse the grid
BBC News
i think it would be a good idea, it would need an incentive for the drivers to be at the back. for eg 5points for fastest qualifying, 3 points for qualifying 2-5, and 1 point for 6-9 place...cant see the drivers liking it much otherwise!
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Matt L
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havent read the link but assume it means fastest person starts last and so on...
if so thats a great idea it would actually make it more exciting to watch seen as they all seem to finish where they start 
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Daimo B
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Wouldn't work.
Top drivers would end up driving slower on purpose to get a slow time.
Rather than try to sort the rules to make it harder, why not jsut bloody get rid of the areodynamical wings, slow the corner speeds down, FORCE the racing skill to come through.
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Matt L
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that wouldnt work either though we all know they cant actually drive scared of messing their hair up 
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Fonz
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i think if you give them an incentive (points) they will have the top drivers would play along. they would still need to be in the 107% time after all. and taking my points suggestion above:
if a driver got the fastest qualifying they would only need to finish 5th to walk away with 10points.
it would make tatics alot more interesting imo
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Stu_22
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Yes and the point of winning a race would be lost.
Be better for them to get a point for every couple of passes they make
Nothing will change
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Daimo B
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Gone are teh proper days of Mansell, Senna, Prost racing. THOSE were proper racing days. Small wings, big tyres, big power, the days when skill was involved for the racing.
Now its just a skill to get the car round the track without crashing due to them running on rails.
Saying they can't drive though Now that IS funny..... Errrrrrr hokayyyyy..
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Fonz
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quote:
Originally posted by Stu_22
Yes and the point of winning a race would be lost.
Be better for them to get a point for every couple of passes they make
Nothing will change
it would if a top driver didnt start at the back, but then if that same driver who had the fastest qualified time and finished better than 5th then already there up on everyone else. not saying ti happens regular but take the last race of the last years season. Hamilton lost many places and worked them back with the faster pace cars ahead of him. if that mixed likely to be slower paced cars then the potential for faster pace cars carving through pack increases......
as a side Patrick Head's suggestion removes qualifying all together and just reverses the drid without any measure (ie Qualifying times) that was my mis-reading of the report/intepretation/suggestion
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luke85
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Have to agree that the racing isnt that entertaining anymore and as VXR said the aerodymanics have played a big part in spoiling it IMO.
Bring back turbos and slicks and reduce the downforce and make corners and tracks that encourage overtaking more. The monaco grand prix is just a parade really
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Matt L
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quote:
Originally posted by VXR
Gone are teh proper days of Mansell, Senna, Prost racing. THOSE were proper racing days. Small wings, big tyres, big power, the days when skill was involved for the racing.
Now its just a skill to get the car round the track without crashing due to them running on rails.
Saying they can't drive though Now that IS funny..... Errrrrrr hokayyyyy..
i was jokin when i said they couldnt drive 
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Scotty_B
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Bring back slicks tyres
No driver aids
reduced wings
and V10 power
and 1hr free for all qualifying
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22B
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quote:
Originally posted by VXR
Gone are teh proper days of Mansell, Senna, Prost racing. THOSE were proper racing days. Small wings, big tyres, big power, the days when skill was involved for the racing.
Now its just a skill to get the car round the track without crashing due to them running on rails.
Saying they can't drive though Now that IS funny..... Errrrrrr hokayyyyy..
No offence but the level of skill hasnt dropped, the best example for me was Nicki Lauda claiming how easy the modern day car was to drive( was around 2000/2001, so still V10s) he went out in the Jaguar(he was team owner), came to the first corner and was off and the car was smashed to pieces.
As to the reverse grid solution, its been contemplated but it will never happen, F1 is about being the fastest, having the best technology etc....
Aerodynamics have made overtaking a lot harder, but the cars are a lot faster even with grooved tyres and the narrower track, thats just how technology has evolved. In 2009 I believe there are going to be rule changes where the aerodynamic efficiency is to be lowered to allow more overtaking, and also during winter testing in november a slick tyre was being tested which could be implemented in a few seasons time to compensate for the lack of aerodynamic grip.
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Daimo B
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Yeah but Nikki Lauda was brought up in the days of actually driving a car without aids. Modern F1 cars totally depend on airflow and maintaining speeds, which is a totally seperate type of skill. It also kills the actual racing, although it makes it faster.
But sometimes outright speed isn't everything, bring back the RACING skill of the drivers. GP2 does it and gives much closer more entertaining racing.
F1 is still in the transition of change. Its about applying modern technology and electrics into a car to make them even enough to race but be entertaining.
I like CorsaSRI's idea, but really don't need the V10's back. Theres so much runoff and safty these days, MAKE the driver drive the cars so they are skatty and all over the place when pushing hard. Makes the racing so much closer and entertaining.
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22B
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quote:
Originally posted by VXR
Yeah but Nikki Lauda was brought up in the days of actually driving a car without aids. Modern F1 cars totally depend on airflow and maintaining speeds, which is a totally seperate type of skill. It also kills the actual racing, although it makes it faster.
But sometimes outright speed isn't everything, bring back the RACING skill of the drivers. GP2 does it and gives much closer more entertaining racing.
F1 is still in the transition of change. Its about applying modern technology and electrics into a car to make them even enough to race but be entertaining.
I like CorsaSRI's idea, but really don't need the V10's back. Theres so much runoff and safty these days, MAKE the driver drive the cars so they are skatty and all over the place when pushing hard. Makes the racing so much closer and entertaining.
I agree with what your saying, but at the end of the day F1 is the pinnacle series in single seaters, tenths of a second mean everything. The best drivers are able to get the most out of the car and are often separated by fractions of a second. The racing aspect has definitely lost some of the sparkle not many breathtaking overtaking manouvers, but thats what happens when your at the limit of technology.
I agree F1 is definitely in a transition they are trying to find out the regulations that make for the safest and most entertaining racing, its only in the past couple of years the standard has gone down. I remember the 1998 season when the rule change of the narrower cars and grooved tyres came in, everyone said it would kill the racing but in the end it turned out to be an awesome championship which went down to the wire.
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