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Originally posted by KROOZUK-BEN
no, i don't see why trains should be allowed to do 100mph whilst we cna only do 70 legally...
The train runs on a track, and cars do not. It's very unlikely for the train to hit anything, whereas there can be hundreds of cars on one stretch of motorway at any one time. If people start jumping out in front of cars, should we drop the speed limits? No, exactly. If you're going to run a level crossing, you deserve to be hit by the train IMO.
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maybe the person wouldn't have died if the train was doing 70? although they most probably still would've
You're talking about a vehicle that weighs a few tonnes and takes about a mile to stop from 70mph (and a mile and a half from 100mph). They'd have died anyway.
Try best part of 100 tons for a locomotive, they would almost certainly die if they were hit at 30mph, not so much from the initial impact but the fact the car would be dragged in front of the loco and more than likely compacted
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mwg
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I dont get what this has to do with Top Gear? They didnt make the accident happen 
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Ian
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Three things I would like to take issue with.
Firstly train speed is mostly dictated by quality of the rails and efficiency of the train. They are not limited because of driver skill specifically.
Cars are limited because of driver skill and the fact that roads are full of fools and errors. To compare the two limits is laughable. Cars and trains coming together or otherwise.
Secondly Jeremy Clarkson is beginning to annoy me. I can handle humour, but I would rather a serious accident between a train and a car wasn't dumbed down with a joke about wearing a jacket. There's being funny and there's trying too hard, and putting two hats on is categorically the latter.
Thirdly something which no one else appears to have noticed. Network Rail - the same company who have underspent their maintenance budget and who look likely to have been responsible for the Cumbrian crash - spent £3m on the campaign from which that footage featured.
£3m to education people in to not taking risks at crossings.
That money could have been better spent on tightening up the bolts on points on the West Coast Main Line.
[Edited on 01-03-2007 by Ian]
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Robin
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How can it cost £3m to drive a train into a car? 
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Steve
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Originally posted by Ian
Secondly Jeremy Clarkson is beginning to annoy me. I can handle humour, but I would rather a serious accident between a train and a car wasn't dumbed down with a joke about wearing a jacket. There's being funny and there's trying too hard, and putting two hats on is categorically the latter.
agree with that, although i wouldnt say its fully JC's fault, the producers are doing a crap job ATM
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Jules S
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Sort of agree there Ian,
However I would imagine railtrack had a (compulsory) duty of care to advertise saftey awareness to the general public.
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Ian
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Who writes the script?
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Ian
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Originally posted by Jules S
However I would imagine railtrack had a (compulsory) duty of care to advertise saftey awareness to the general public.
Which IMO is a waste of money.
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Originally posted by Ian
Who writes the script?
dunno, is it jc then?
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Originally posted by Ian
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Originally posted by Jules S
However I would imagine railtrack had a (compulsory) duty of care to advertise saftey awareness to the general public.
Which IMO is a waste of money.
Welcome to the world of the nanny HSE lead state.
I'm an Architect, I do all the designs, all the co-ordination, all the working drawings and the supervision of the works. The buck stops at my desk when things go tits up.
The planning supervisor/co-ordinators fee is greater than mine....and all they do is delegate the duty of care in safety responsibilty roles.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uaFfFU2RyQ&mode=related&search=
the video^^^
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FACT:
My town (Dingwall) is the only town in the whole of the uk to have more than one level crossing without barriers
all 3 are pretty close to the school aswell, been numerous crashes and still we have no barriers
Shep has hit the nail on the head.
The short clip was on Top Gear due to yet another fatality about two weeks ago when of a group of young guys taking a chance and crossing a line when the warning lights were on up in N.Scotland. As you might have guessed, they died.
There are plenty of crossings in Scotland with no barriers, so its up to the driver to stop when the warning lights are on. As for the drivers who swerve round barriers, well thats their choice, but they often take innocent others with them in the train.
It was wrong of JC to mock the short clip, but then again it shouldn't really need said in the first place as you would have thought people would value their lives a bit more. As for the PC crap....
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steve101
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But its always put down to "accident". The warning lights and siren are on well in advance, so in normal circumstances there's no excuse whatsoever IMO for being hit by a train at a level crossing.
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Originally posted by Ian
Three things I would like to take issue with.
Firstly train speed is mostly dictated by quality of the rails and efficiency of the train. They are not limited because of driver skill specifically.
Cars are limited because of driver skill and the fact that roads are full of fools and errors. To compare the two limits is laughable. Cars and trains coming together or otherwise.
Secondly Jeremy Clarkson is beginning to annoy me. I can handle humour, but I would rather a serious accident between a train and a car wasn't dumbed down with a joke about wearing a jacket. There's being funny and there's trying too hard, and putting two hats on is categorically the latter.
Thirdly something which no one else appears to have noticed. Network Rail - the same company who have underspent their maintenance budget and who look likely to have been responsible for the Cumbrian crash - spent £3m on the campaign from which that footage featured.
£3m to education people in to not taking risks at crossings.
That money could have been better spent on tightening up the bolts on points on the West Coast Main Line.
[Edited on 01-03-2007 by Ian]
Ian, you aren't allowed to say Top Ger is bad, otherwise Hammer will call you a cock. I'd be careful if I were you because he might come ouf of Match Day and see this.
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fucking british are turning into right moaning wankers
couldnt be more correct there, this country is one big pile of wank!
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dannymccann
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I can see that JC's humour is not to everyone's taste, however, like has been said before, he didnt incite the crash, nor did he incite you to risk going across the tracks. In fact he showed what could, in theory happen to a normal family car should you risk it.
As for educating people, in these circumstances I believe they should have cameras at all level crossings (GATSO-esque) which immediately inform of license plates gunning to beat the train. These drivers should then be fined (god help them they cause an accident), should compensate the rail company for any damage to the barriers / track etc and also have some sort of decent ban in order for them to have some time to think about what they have done.
Ian is correct about comparing cars to trains, it really is a stupid idea to limit a train that is capable of going 80mph / 120mph whatever just cos cars cant or because 'some' car drivers are lunatics.
He is also correct about the gross misuse of £3m on education instead of repairs, it is not for Network Rail to educate, it is the government / police / fire / DVLA, whoever to do this.
My last point, I really do wish these people that ring up and complain about Top Gear would either take it on the chin (what there is to take) or NOT WATCH BBC2 ON A SUNDAY NIGHT. You arent forced to watch it. All it is is 3 lads having some fun. It is filmed in an environment that is full of health and safety and poses the same amount of danger to real life road users as any one else on the road.
Sorry  Just my 2 cents
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Originally posted by ed
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Originally posted by Ian
Three things I would like to take issue with.
Firstly train speed is mostly dictated by quality of the rails and efficiency of the train. They are not limited because of driver skill specifically.
Cars are limited because of driver skill and the fact that roads are full of fools and errors. To compare the two limits is laughable. Cars and trains coming together or otherwise.
Secondly Jeremy Clarkson is beginning to annoy me. I can handle humour, but I would rather a serious accident between a train and a car wasn't dumbed down with a joke about wearing a jacket. There's being funny and there's trying too hard, and putting two hats on is categorically the latter.
Thirdly something which no one else appears to have noticed. Network Rail - the same company who have underspent their maintenance budget and who look likely to have been responsible for the Cumbrian crash - spent £3m on the campaign from which that footage featured.
£3m to education people in to not taking risks at crossings.
That money could have been better spent on tightening up the bolts on points on the West Coast Main Line.
[Edited on 01-03-2007 by Ian]
Ian, you aren't allowed to say Top Ger is bad, otherwise Hammer will call you a cock. I'd be careful if I were you because he might come ouf of Match Day and see this.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uaFfFU2RyQ&mode=related&search=
the video^^^
how the hell does that offend people???
apart from about 20 secs of the clip where he mentions the high vis jacket its pretty serious and shows that if your thick enough to jump a red light you arent going to survive, im sure the front of the train punched out the passenger window before it carried it along
i cant remember ever reading about someone being hit by a train at a level crossing because of safety barriers etc...
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Originally posted by dannymccann
As for educating people, in these circumstances I believe they should have cameras at all level crossings (GATSO-esque) which immediately inform of license plates gunning to beat the train. These drivers should then be fined (god help them they cause an accident), should compensate the rail company for any damage to the barriers / track etc and also have some sort of decent ban in order for them to have some time to think about what they have done.
agreed, though most these people end up dead so they cant do it again 
only problem is that when they are they cant foot the bill for the damage and time wasted to the train company and passengers
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Anyone stupid enough to go around the single barriers or chance crossing when there are warning lights on is a fucking idiot and deserve what they get. These people are clearly stupid, thick, simple minded folk and are not worth having in our society. I just feel bad for the train drivers.
Clarksons approach to the topic was making the point that your a prat for trying to beat a train at a level crossing when its clearly a huge risk. The article was funny and enjoyable aswell as shocking, in respect to the effect the train had on the car etc.
[Edited on 02-03-2007 by psycho sport]
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dannymccann
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Originally posted by mk4_astra
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Originally posted by dannymccann
As for educating people, in these circumstances I believe they should have cameras at all level crossings (GATSO-esque) which immediately inform of license plates gunning to beat the train. These drivers should then be fined (god help them they cause an accident), should compensate the rail company for any damage to the barriers / track etc and also have some sort of decent ban in order for them to have some time to think about what they have done.
agreed, though most these people end up dead so they cant do it again
only problem is that when they are they cant foot the bill for the damage and time wasted to the train company and passengers
Other problem is if they end up dead so could several / several hundred people on the train as well.......
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drax
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I think clarkson was trying to echo the point that things like this should be sodding second nature to people, and using abit of common sense would go along way.
You have to be a complete tool to do some of the things that have to be made into awareness advertisments.
Like driving out infront of a train..
..Or walking into the road not actually checking for cars..
Heres a good one that has been pissing me off lately.
People seem to think that they have right of way as pedestrians on roads and in carparks..
Now my first point would be, to me, rightt of way depends on how heavy you are, and how easy it is for you to stop my 1.2 tonne car.
Secondly, if pedestrains have right of way, then maybe they shouldnt hide themselfs in places where they cant be seen and then step into the road expecting every car to yeild to the ground they walk on.
Some tits going to walk out infront of me one day and i am not going to stop. People need to learn, especially these fucktard gold hoop white tracksuit buggy pushing mothers that seem more concerned with talking bollocks to the person next to them to pay attention to where they are pushing their pram and how far into the road.
That really grinds my gears.
Yes, anyway. People need to have more common sense, or we need some government enforced hitmen to clean up the country abit.
I think hitler had a good idea at first to get rid of all the stupid fucking people, but he went abit overboard and just started being a racist dictator twat.
Bring back Thatcher!
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Rachel H
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People are stupid.
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