Nismo
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http://www.topgear.com/content/carsurvey/2006/features/01/1.html
 3 years on the trott....
awaits all the abuse 
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DJMartin07
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You can amit Japanese cars are good but they just don't have the style compared to European.
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Marc
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Has no torque
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Cupra Steve
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Originally posted by Marc
Has no torque
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Marc
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Well someone had to say it
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Nismo
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Honda also come 3rd in manufactures 
Vauxhall did well
1 Skoda (UP)
Once-humble Skoda pushes the Japanese from the top slot
2 Lexus (DOWN)
Masters of build quality forced to a still-good second place
3 Honda (-)
Top two places in the car list helped secure a third place overall
4 Mazda (-)
Fourth place for the second year running
5 Mini (UP)
Mini's strong following means it's up two places at five
6 Subaru (-)
Another non-mover - would have scored higher but for high ownership costs
7 Toyota (DOWN)
Down two places for Toyota against last year's survey
8 Porsche (-)
Consistent performer, but reliability score lower than you'd expect
9 Jaguar (-)
Strong performance from the XJ helped Jag hold on to ninth
10 Hyundai (UP)
Hyundai swaps places with BMW - thanks in part to good service
11 BMW (DOWN)
X3 is most reliable car in the survey, but BMW still slipped a place
12 Suzuki (UP)
Decent performance means Suzuki moves up three places
13 Seat (UP)
Seat's up too, but not so impressive next to Skoda's performance
14 Lotus (UP)
Build quality was the only thing holding Lotus back
15 Audi (DOWN)
We expected better than middle of the table from Audi
16 Volvo (DOWN)
Reasonable effort, but didn't score well for ownership costs
17 Kia (UP)
A promising improvement against last year - up from 23rd place
'Citroen, Renault and Peugeot bring up the rear, shrugging haplessly and disappointing buyers...'
18 Smart (-)
Smart holds onto its place just past the half way mark
19 Volkswagen (UP)
Modest improvement held back by surprisingly average scores
20 Nissan (DOWN)
Nissan slips one place from last year
21 Chrysler (DOWN)
And so does Chrysler...
22 Alfa Romeo (UP)
Predictably below-average performance from Alfa
23 Rover (DOWN)
Down one, but who really cares?
24 Ford (UP)
Up one place but not much to shout about
25 Mitsubishi (DOWN)
Lowest placed Japanese manufacturer
26 Saab (DOWN)
A huge drop from 14th place for the Swedes
27 Vauxhall (-)
No improvement for Vauxhall this year
28 Daewoo (UP)
A two-place jump for Daewoo. Chevy will be pleased...
29 Land Rover (UP)
Up by two places, but still a poor effort
30 Mercedes (UP)
Woeful performance from a so-called 'premium' brand
31 Fiat (UP)
Good score from the Panda helps lift Fiat a bit. But only a bit
32 Jeep (DOWN)
Jeep slides further down the table
33 Citroen (-)
Best of the French manufacturers, but that's no consolation
34 Renault (-)
Dismal
35 Peugeot (-)
Oh dear. Again
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gavin18787
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So where is vauxhall?
Nice to see jag quite high up 
Drives supercharged Tec with torque  
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Nath
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27, probably due to there being more cars of that brand then most of the others.
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Marc
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Never had a problem with my old Corsa
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Daimo B
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Slagging off modern day Vauxhalls is like slagging off modern day Skodas...
Times have changed, it'll take vauxhall another 10 years to shake off the dodgy image. Too many sales reps Vectras and Astras about 
New ranges of VX are good cars. They are still behined the quality of German manufactures, but compare the quality gap now as to that of 10 years ago...
Either Vauxhall have caught up a lot, or the German makes haven't progressed much...
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mwg
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Look which 3 are at the bottom
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Marc
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quote:
Originally posted by VXR
Slagging off modern day Vauxhalls is like slagging off modern day Skodas...
Went to Citroen recently and the doors clunked like a VW. I think everyone has upped the quality, they've had to.
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deano87
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I agree, Vauxhall's are getting much much better.
I went to the British Motor Show and sat in the new Corsa. It felt much nicer than a B of 10 years ago. It feels like a 'bigger' car, more solid, better built and you could do a long journey in a more powerful one and not know it.
Compare that to the plastic, rattly Corsa B's.
It won't be long before Vauxhall are back up there again. Ford however imo, have stayed pretty level. The difference between MK5 and MK6/7 isn't huge.
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Nismo
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yeah but times have changed, every manufacture has progressed 
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deano87
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quote:
Originally posted by Nismo
yeah but times have changed, every manufacture has progressed
I would disagree to a certain extent.
Dad used to have a E39 520i SE which was nice. Then had to sell to free up cash, getting a 1.8 Vectra B SRi which was shoddy compared (and compared to current Vectra) then he moved onto a 2000 E39 530i Sport which was, well, the same as the 520i, now he's on an E46 M3 and that is pretty much the same. New BMW's are also the same, apart from technological advances, i.e. iDrive etc which, to be honest, no-one really needs.
There is no doubting that technology under the bonnet, safety etc hasn't increased (I mean look at the latest S-class) BUT some marques just aren't changing hugely, where as Vauxhall imo, has.
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Nath
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quote:
Originally posted by Nismo
yeah but times have changed, every manufacture has progressed
Yes and others havent progressed as much as the rest, or vice versa i.e. Skoda and Fiat.
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